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dwarf mini rescue horses

tuppence Feb 18, 2006 05:38 PM

Hi: I'm new here and since "Helen" was already taken, I chose "tuppence" for "my two cents' worth" --

My husband and I have three rescue mares of normal horse size but a few days ago a friend brought over a couple of minis as she has to get rid of her stock for financial reasons and wanted her minis here or nowhere. While we appreciated the compliment, we have never had minis before -- and these two have problems...

Our vet is on vacation and so we are scouring the internet and learning all we can as fast as we can. Anything those with experience can add will be appreciated.

"Papa" is about 35, and a well-formed dwarf mini. He needs dental work which we will get taken care of asap. In the meantime his weight is good -- maybe a little bit over but not bad. We have put him on about a half a cup of beet pulp pellets, soaked, about half a cup of equine senior, a scoop of glucosamine/MSM -- twice a day. Plus some grass hay. His hooves are cool and he seems fine with that.

"Teddi" is a deformed dwarf mini yearling. Front legs are curved and she stumbles. No normal teats, just a skin flap. She has bulging eyes and appears to be very 'hard of seeing'. Does better in the shade than in the sun for sight. Definite underbite. We are feeding her the same as Papa. She is more slender but not malnourished at all.

Wormed both with Safeguard -- about an ounce or a little more of the pelletized wormer -- today. They loved it. They are both extremely friendly and sweet-tempered, which I understand is normal for these little ones.

Because Teddi is 'mouthy' and likes to check things out by nibbling, we went down to the feed store and picked up a couple of dog toys -- a fairly large ball on a good-sized rope and another rubber ball, about a foot wide, with one of those "handles" on the end that an animal can grab on to. She was nosing them around and seemed quite curious about them. Neither horse seems to know the meaning of fear! Everything is worth exploring.

They are both sweet and both in need of care we wish to provide intelligently. So all advice will be read and considered and we are grateful for any input we can get into this new venture (by the way, our older, full-sized mares do not like them at all and so the two little ones have their own enclosure and stall which opens out to it).

Thanks.
Helen Setterfield (tuppence)

Replies (7)

sarasmushu Feb 19, 2006 07:39 PM

Sounds like you are doing everything right From what I have Heard about Mini's they are jsut like Normal horses only in a smaller package. Deffantlly ge thte vet check. let me know how it goes
Sara

tuppence Feb 19, 2006 10:11 PM

Thanks for your note. We wormed them both yesterday and within hours the little filly was off her feed. Also refusing to eat this morning. So we called the vet on an emergency basis and he found almost no gut noises. We are figuring she is impacted with dead worms as she has never been wormed before that we know of. So he intubated her and administered mineral oil. She cannot eat until it has done its work, poor baby!

But he also let us know what to feed them and how much, which was a big concern of ours. Nothing can be done for her wobbly legs, as it is probably already too late at a year old, but we are giving them both glucosamine with MSM -- as all our older horses get. So that might help a tiny bit, but evidently she is going to have a life of increasing pain later and we will just have to decide for her when enough is enough. That hurts.

Also, no, they are not just 'little horses' we found out. Their digestive tracts are much more sensitive and they are prone to founder -- so even with normal, healthy minis one would need to be quite careful about the feed and care.

sarasmushu Feb 20, 2006 07:22 PM

Oh I'm so sorry about the worms I have been through that. With one of my lesson horses. it will get better!! Hope you can post pictures soon I want to see the cuties.
Sara

sarasmushu Feb 22, 2006 02:52 PM

I can't get a print out of the article but There was an article that Horse Illustrated did in the September 2005 issue on Minature horses I remeber that there where some interesting Facts and info in that article if you can get ahold of that Issue I think it would help you greatly!!
I have the link to the Horse illustrated Site so you can order it if you want so here it is
http://www.shopanimalnetwork.com/subcatmfgprod.asp?0=212&1=216&2=-1
if you scroll down to almost the bottom of the page you will find the september 2005 issue it's $8.00
I hope this helps
Sara

PHFlea Feb 21, 2006 07:01 PM

Hi Helen....Welcome to the boards!! Bless you for taking in rescues, we have a rescued Arabian and donkey. I couldn't ask for anything more right now. I'm not sure if your vet is back and been able to check on your mini's...sounds like your doing the right things. Keep us posted on their update.....
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tuppence Feb 24, 2006 10:48 AM

We're starting to get the hang of it around here! My husband will take pictures for friends later and we'll try to get them up here.

The 35 year old gelding, "Papa", is a pig! He came in with a butterball belly and we have been slowly getting it down to something more 'horse-like'! As a result, though, he started feeling more energetic and was chasing the little crippled filly around their enclosure yesterday. SOOOO, I haltered him and led him out to where the 'big' horses are and let them chase HIM around a bit! The filly, Teddi, was quite content to be left alone on her little wobbly legs.

Each of the dwarfs gets a half a cup of senior equine in the morning with some glucosamine/MSM mix and a little applesauce in it. (We learned the trick with applesauce years ago and keep the cupboard in the barn stocked with piles of the individual servings. That way when we need to administer medications, the horses never know they are getting it -- everything in the grain still tastes and smells like applesauce). Then they get a little grass hay to chew on through the day. In the evening they get another half-cup each and a little more hay. They both had almost a week of psyllium to help clean out their guts and will start their innoculations in a week. So we seem to be doing it OK. Quite a lesson!

When I was younger I was part-owner of a thoroughbred broodmare ranch in southern California and that was a real treat! Pregnang mommies and babies and a LOT of cleaning and handling and early training. When my own children were growing up I had married and moved to northern California and thought I had given up horses. Not with teenage girls! So we had a couple of horses then and one day I took the kids to see a local farrier competition and during the day we saw one corral of string horses brought in for the free shoing. With them was one very ancient looking mare with kick marks all over here and mites in her ears and so very underweight! The kids begged and begged to get her, with tears in their eyes, and so we picked up "Lady" for butcher-block price and brought her home.

At first she was so shy of being hurt or even touched that we we had to halter her, tie her, and then use a kid's squirt gun to get the medication into her ears for the mites! That worked, and without that itching and pain she did start to settle a little. In the meantime, we had her on good feed and were grooming her daily and she started really picking up.

In three months she was an incredible horse and we found out with some research that she was a three year old standard-bred filly. We found where her papers were and bought them for more than we had paid for her, and started working with her. When the kids got done with her, she was doing trails and the kids were having a wonderful time getting her into that really smooth trot these animals have and which is so comfortable to ride. Later they bred her and got a wonderful foal out of her.

That was our first rescue.

The years went by and the kids all left for college. I sold the horses, because they didn't go to college, too and I was not about to be out there everyday taking care of their small herd! And I'm not about to neglect animals in my care.

Today we live in southern Oregon and had a small, three stall barn (of my design) build on the back acre specifically for rescue animals.

Missy came in first. She is 20 and a registered quarter paint. Beautiful animal ridden to the ground and put away hot so many times that she is quite crippled in her front legs now with arthritis. She gets special meds for that and her legs rubbed down and wrapped every night for her comfort. She loves to lie down out in the sun during the day and get the weight off her legs.

Then Cameo. THIRTY years old, a rack of bones, almost no teeth and an abcessed hoof came. Easily 500-600 lbs. underweight. We puts her on soaked beet pulp pellets, equine senior, and alfalfa-molasses (Alf-mo). Her hoof healed nicely and today she looks and acts more like a nine year old than a thirty year old. She would be a lap horse if she could -- she's just a little big for that, though, at over 16 hands.

A few weeks ago Snow Angel arrived. She is 24, a 'crash and burn' polo pony originally from Argentina -- a beautiful white/gray Anglo-Arab. She broke her hip years ago and so is pretty bad in the hind end with atrophied muscles. Also way underweight when she arrived. And VERY shy of people.

She's coming around nicely. Weight is coming on and she enjoys the grooming everyday now and let us wash the matting out of her tail recently.

All these old ladies have been around the block a few times and so know what it is like to be handled. Finding out that we are gentle and understand them a bit has settled them all down and I have decided this is an incredibly rewarding thing to do. I can walk up to Missy or Cameo and clean their hooves right there in the field without tying them up. For those of you who have handled horses that have been mistreated in the past, you know that is really something!

With the minis (I at first refused them: three horses, three stalls, that was enough!), we are definitely full and busy. But it is lovely seeing them come around and knowing that the best that can be done is being done for them. They're lovely old girls and the two little ones are delightful.

jcherry May 17, 2006 12:39 PM

Boy I tell you, these horses should thank their lucky days to have found you. You are really a godsend to them if you know what I mean. As far as the miniatures, it is a real shame when folks allow the breeding programs to start producing dwarfs etc. It is something that should not be perpetuated in any breed, but espicially in miniatures. We have about 135 - 140 of these little guys at our farm and have worked with them for over 20 years so if there is anything we can do for you as far as information is concerned let us know.

As far as the digestive system being any different on miniatures than on big horses. It really is not, where that belief has come from is the natural propensity of folks to not really recognize that these guys weigh generally 300-400 pounds on average as adults. Therein is where the problem comes in, a half cup of feed differnce in the daily intake is a massive amount of change. It would equate to feeding a large breed an extra 4 - 8 pounds of feed daily, in comparison to the animals metabolic rates and size. Therefore as in big horses, if too much feed or feed of too high a protien level is fed they will founder etc.

The typical regimine for our adult horses consist of a handful of coastal hay, 1/2 cup of Omeline 100, a 1/2 cup of beet pulp, 1/2 cup of crimped oats per day split in two feedings. Along with that they are given free range pasture grazing.

Let us know if we can be of help,

John Cherry
Cherryville Farms

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