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are there any laws on venomiods ?

The law does not differentiate between venomoids and hots.
To that end a venomoid cobra is no less illegal in the eyes of the law than an unmutilated one and as such your equally screwed if they catch you with it in a jurisdiction where hot snakes are illegal.

from what I gather most venomoids are ILLEGAL anyway simply because they have been hacked up by some idiot rather than by a qualified veterinarian. I don't think anyone has pressed the issue, though.

Or that there might not be a way to guarentee the surgery (if you could call it that) was done correctly. The snake might be just as venomous as the day it hatched. Andy
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Andy Maddox
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

Burgundy baby, With your blue eyed soul, You play the hits and I'm on that roll, Capricorn sister, Freddie Mercury, Jupiter Child cry

don't thing the venomoids are truly illegal, just the act of "practicing veterinary medicine without a license". if that's what your getting at...

Steve

Also, you need to think why you want a venomoid. Is it just to say you have a once hot snake to impress your friends. What i belive the case with venomoids is that you are actually hurting the snake. The venom starts digestion, when you remeove the venom you are taking away a key part in the digestion process. Now people do have venomoids and they do well, but in my opinion they are a useless butchering of a beautiful creature. If the reason that you want a venomoid is that you are not ready or qualified to own a fully venomous snake i would have to recommend either getting a rear fanged snake, or a non venomous snake all together.

Just my opinion,
Kris
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DON'T TREAD ON ME

You are asking this question to the wrong forum. Most of the people here are very narrow minded and believe that only their own opinion is correct, and feel just fine about flaming you for your thoughts and views, rather than just giving you the answer you are asking for.

To answer your question, the laws for venomoids and venomous snakes are the same, the law does not bend for venomoids. The reason for this is, that many of the snakes that undergo surgury to become venomoid, have the surgury wrong. If even the smallest piece of the venom glands remain, the snake can still be venomous after the surgury.

Also if you are serious about wanting such an animal that has undergone this surgury, make sure that either you take the animal to a qualified vet yourself to have it done, or you can confirm that the person you are buying the (already de-venomized) snake from had a qualified person perform the surgury. Just buying a venomoid snake from anyone that tells you it is a venomoid can lead to a few problems including:

1. a snake that is not truely venomoid because the surgury was done wrong.

2. a snake that this person has done the surgury on himself

3. a snake that has not even gone through the surgury

As sad as it is, there are some sick people out there. DO NOT support anyone that does these surguries themselves. I have also heard of a case where a person wanted a venomoid snake. The person he was buying it from did not agree with having such a surgury done to snakes so he lied to the buyer just to "punish" him. The snake was sent to the buyer and was a Gaboon Viper, which had never gone through any surgury at all. The buyer who was expecting a snake that was not venomous or dangerous in any way. As you can guess, he was bit, and did not survive, and the seller is now in prison for murder. If I can find the ad again I will post a link to it.

The moral to the story is do not buy any snake from the sad people on this site. I personally would not do business with anyone here for any reason. The way they act, and talk to people in the forums is enough to show me that they are not really the type of people anyone should do business with.

As sad as it is, there are some sick people out there. DO NOT support anyone that does these surguries themselves. I have also heard of a case where a person wanted a venomoid snake. The person he was buying it from did not agree with having such a surgury done to snakes so he lied to the buyer just to "punish" him. The snake was sent to the buyer and was a Gaboon Viper, which had never gone through any surgury at all. The buyer who was expecting a snake that was not venomous or dangerous in any way. As you can guess, he was bit, and did not survive, and the seller is now in prison for murder. If I can find the ad again I will post a link to it.

I've never heard of this before (doesn't mean it didn't happen). Do you have any proof of this? Extraordinary claims call for extraordinary evidence.

I hear all of these rumors and outrageous claims that the antivenomoid crowd like to spread around, but I have yet to see any evidence that regeneration,fraud,or any other of these events have occurred. I will say however, that someone should really be wary of anyone who cannot state where the snakes were devenomized and who did the surgery. There are only a few people in the US that can do surgery, there are others that think they can do it, but end up doing half ass work and the snakes look like crap and suffer from infections,prolonged pain,ect. Just because someone is a vet, doesn't mean they can automatically do this surgery right. That is just a copout that the antivenomoid like to come up with. No matter where someone gets a venomoid, I would highly recommend testing the snake thoroughly several times a year to make sure that is infact harmless, since you should trust no one with your life, except yourself.
Kevin

Kevin,
Am I to understand, that your pro-venomoid?

Um...He got the answer. Even though it is very anti-venemoid here. Don't know why you needed to repeat it and your own opinion. Seems like a waste of space...he got his answer so leave it at that.
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Andy Maddox
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

Burgundy baby, With your blue eyed soul, You play the hits and I'm on that roll, Capricorn sister, Freddie Mercury, Jupiter Child cry