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Morelia Discription...

Tormato Dec 13, 2003 06:29 AM

Hi guys. I love this taxonomy stuff, but it has me confused a lot of times. Ive been trying to find out why exactly there are gneres...for pythons that it. Okay- morelia, python, liasis- etc etc. Why? This is copied from a site describing morelia.. "pits in the labial scales. The head is covered with either small irregular or large symmetrical shields. The tail is prehensile".

First, angoloan pythons have beady head scales and prehensile tails, so why arent they in morelia? And scrubs have huge plated head scales so why arent they in the python complex? Makes no sence. Also, Ive had ball pythons that would beg to differ about the pits. They have infra-labial and supralabial pits. Are people taking this genus/taxa thing seriously anyways? This seems a little weird-
Also, is there a page where it breaks down the differences in genesus? Thanks a lot for any kind of replies..
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WW Dec 14, 2003 04:46 AM

First:
- singular: genus
- plural: genera

Second:

When you read descriptions for genera in field guides, web pages or herpetoculture books, then the characters chosen are simply a few conspicuous characters that more or less describe or help identify the genus (and in many cases, particularly private web pages, the accuracy of the information leaves a lot to be desired anyway). If field guides or regional books, this will be in relation to other animals found in the same area. For instance, an Aussie book will attempt to differentiate an Aussie genus from another Aussie genus, but not an Aussie genus from an Afdrican genus.

Second, genera are primarily defined on the basis of monophyly, evidenced from analysis of various characters, not on the basis of external similarity. The characters that identify various monophyletic groups are not necessarily characters that are easily used for field identification (e.g., cranial bones etc.)

Check out the following publication for more detail:
WÜSTER, W., B. BUSH, J.S. KEOGH, M. O'SHEA & R. SHINE (2001) Taxonomic contributions in the "amateur" literature: comments on recent descriptions ofnew genera and species by Raymond Hoser. Litteratura Serpentium, 21(3): 67-79, 86-91.
You can download it at the link below.

Cheers,

Wolfgang
WW Publicatrions page

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CKing Dec 14, 2003 07:49 AM

WW wrote:

"Second, genera are primarily defined on the basis of monophyly, evidenced from analysis of various characters, not on the basis of external similarity. The characters that identify various monophyletic groups are not necessarily characters that are easily used for field identification (e.g., cranial bones etc.)"

From his posts and from our past interactions, WW subscribes to the Hennigian definition of monophyly, which is different than the Darwinian's definition. According to Hennig's definition, a monophyletic taxon consists of a single ancestor and all of the descendants of this ancestor. According to the Darwinian definition, a taxon is monophyletic if all of its members share a nearest common ancestor, whether or not all members are included in the taxon. For example, Class Reptilia is considered monophyletic by the Darwinians even though some of the descendants of its common ancestor, namely the birds and the mammals, are excluded from Reptilia. Reptilia is not monophyletic according to the Hennigians because it does not include all descendants of its common ancestor.

Since the discovery of the RNA/DNA based universal genetic code, it is clear that all life on earth is almost certainly descended from a single common ancestor, in which the genetic code evolved. Therefore all life on earth, including the extinct species, form a monophyletic group, either using Hennig's definition or the Darwinian definition of monophyletic. All life on earth therefore can be classified in the same genus, if one were to define a genus primarily on the basis of "monophyly."

It is quite obvious that classifying all life on earth in a single all inclusive genus is not very useful for biologists or the general public. Clearly there are organisms that are more closely related to each other than they are to other organisms. For example, it does not take a biologist to realize that trees are probably more closely related to other trees than they are to, say, a worm or a bird. Therefore there must be additional taxonomic categories other than genus to construct a useful classification of all life on earth. That is why the Linnaean system is so useful, because it uses more than just a single taxnomic category to rank organisms according to their different degrees of relationships. Closely related species are put into the same genus, whereas more distantly related species can be put into different genera. Different genera can be placed in different families if they are not closely related. Using the Linnaean ranks, biologists have been able to classify the millions of extinct and living organisms on earth for hundreds of years.

As WW points out, genera are defined primarily on the basis of monophyly. In fact all taxa regardless of rank (kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus and species) must be monophyletic. Clearly then, monophyly alone is not useful in deciding whether two organisms are classifiable in different kingdoms, different families or different genera. Therefore biologists through the centuries have classified organisms according to the degrees of their evolutionary relationships. Until the latter half of the 20th century, the only evidence for such relationships have come from a study of their morphological differences. With the increasing use of molecular techniques, some of the traditional taxa that are grouped on the basis of morphology have been shown to be polyphyletic, i.e. their similarities are the result of evolutionary convergence, rather than inherited from a common ancestor. Such taxa are of course unacceptable to either the Darwinians or the Hennigians and they have been dismantled and the species within them reclassified.

Some taxa, however, are neither polyphyletic nor are they monophyletic according to Hennig's new definition of monophyletic, although they are monophyletic according to the Darwinians. These taxa, dubbed "paraphyletic" by the Hennigians who are intolerant of them, are the major source of disagreement among different schools of taxonomists today. Most (but not all) taxonomists who adhere to cladistic methodology are intolerant of paraphyletic taxa. The Darwinians tolerate them because these taxa are descended from the same common ancestor, and because they are most similar to each other and to their common ancestor morphologically. A very good example is Elaphe. The species classified in Elaphe are all morphologically very similar to each other and to their common ancestor. This is a slowly evolving group that should be retained in the same genus. Yet because a member of Elaphe has migrated to the New World and given rise to a number of other more evolutionary divergent species which have been classified in genera such as Lampropeltis, Cemophora, Stilosoma, Bogertophis, Pituophis and Arizona, Elaphe is “paraphyletic” according to the Hennigians and therefore it must be dismantled. It is not easy to splinter a morphologically homogeneous genus such as Elaphe and transfer the dismantled pieces into nearly a dozen smaller genera which are morphologically indistinguishable from one another. Besides, it does not do any good for either the general public or the biological community to split Elaphe into so many pieces. Information retrieval will be more difficult. Communication will also be harder. The new classification also obscures the fact that Elaphe is a slowly evolving genus that has remained largely unchanged since the Miocene. Some Miocene fossils, for example, can be identified as being conspecific with living species. For these reasons, it is best that the scientific community ignore the cladists’ proposal to replace paraphyletic taxa with contrived taxa that are morphologically undefinable and/or indistinguishable from each other. Contrived genera such as “Pantherophis”, “Pseudelaphe” and “Euprepiophis” are morphologically undefinable and the proposal to resurrect them should be ignored. These species that had been transferred to these contrived genera by Utiger et al. should instead remain in Elaphe to indicate that they form a monophyletic group and that they have diverged very little from one another and from their common ancestor, notwithstanding the cladists’ intolerance of taxa that do not conform to Hennig’s non-traditional definition of monophyletc.

CKing Dec 14, 2003 11:36 AM

Life on earth has existed continuously for over 3.5 billion years. The oldest known fossils are single celled organisms. As one look in younger rocks, more complex organisms begin to appear. As the rocks get younger, the organisms contained therein resemble living organisms more and more. There are also groups of organisms which are known only from fossils. These organisms have become extinct and left no descendants. From these observations, most reasonable people conclude that evolution is a scientific fact. Organisms evolve from existing forms; organisms also become extinct either because of disasters or failure to adapt to a changing environment or because of a failure to compete.

Because organisms evolve, new characters appear. As new characters appear, most biologists want to remove organisms possessing these new characters from the old taxon by placing them in a new taxon of their own. For example, when a species within an existing genus have evolved a suite of new characters, it may be necessary to place this species in a new genus of its own. That is exactly why the genera Lampropeltis and Pituophis are recognized: they have evolved a new suite of morphological characters not found in the old genus in which their ancestor belongs. The species found within Pituophis and Lampropeltis are descended from a species of Old World Elaphe which migrated to the New World. But recognizing the genera Pituophis and Lampropeltis means that Elaphe is "paraphyletic." Paraphyletic taxa are not acceptable to the Hennigians because Hennig defines a taxon as consisting of a single ancestor and all of its descendants. Clearly, it is impossible to recognize new taxa if one must obey Hennig's absurd rule.

Let's travel back in time to 3.5 billion years ago when life first began on earth. What one will find is most likely nothing except very similar looking single celled organisms that most biologists may classify either in a single species or at best a single genus. If one sticks around long enough (give or take another half a billion or one billion years), then one is going to eventually find organisms that differ from these earliest species. Some of the new organisms may be so different that they may deserve to be classified in a new genus because of new characters (such as a nucleus and a nuclear membrane). But doing so means one has to violate Hennig's rule. That is because as soon as a species is removed from the old genus and transferred to the newly recognized genus, the old genus becomes paraphyletic. So, we must make an exception to Hennig's rule in order to recognize more than 1 genus. A taxonomist can repeat the same process with higher taxonomic ranks. Pretty soon it is obvious that the prohibition of paraphyletic taxa is not possible if one were to recognize more than a single species, a single genus, a single family, a single order, a single class, a single phylum and a single kingdom. It is clear then that in order to have a biological classification that is of any use, Hennig's rule against the recognition of paraphyletic taxa must be ignored and exceptions made to this rule for every single taxonomic rank in existence.

The cladists, who demand that we all obey Hennig's impractical rule, ignore the impracticality and in fact impossibility of its implementation. Their insistence on disqualifying paraphyletic taxa such as Elaphe and Clemmys have resulted in proposals that force them to recognize taxa that cannot be consistently defined, taxa that herpetologist J.D. Lazell called "contrived". Obeying Hennig's impractical rule by recognizing contrived taxa is thus not scientific progress. It is ideological nonsense.

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