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i saw a pair in the classifieds, i would never get them, i just wanted your opinions on them. im guess their bite would still hurt like hell, just no venom?

would you feel more comfortable having one as a venomoid?

just looking for your thoughts.

venomoid vipers heads look like they have been beaten with a hammer. elapids dont look as bad but every venomoid is the same to me and i dont own any hots but my first wont be a venomoid

Not good, vipers need their venom to successfully digest their food.......is ruining a beautiful animal......

just out of curiosity, if people knew they needed their venom to successfuly digest, why would they do it in the first place?

also, in the pictures it did not look like their head shape had changed much after the procedure, but then again its only a picture.

i appreciate everyones input, like i said I AM NOT getting one, and I really don't like the idea of removing ducts, but i guess some people still do it. i just wanted to see what you all thought.

Boy are you opening a can of worms! This is one of those issues that is strongly and sometimes nastily fought on these forums.

Try scroling down on this and the venomous forum and
I am certain you will get all the answers you are looking for.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

Has anyone ever actually done a study of how vipers (or any venomous snake) digests its food?

If they rely so heavily on their venom how do venomoids cope? How do other snakes cope?

Do regular non-venomous snakes have more powerful stomach acid? Or is it the same strength and without venom vipers can live the same way?

Im not for or against venomoids, just had a few questions.

Thanks
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Sean McIntyre

Currently have:
0.1 Antherystic Elaphe Guttata Guttata - Corn Snake
1.0 Elaphe Vulpina Gloydi - Eastern Fox Snake
0.1 Leucistic Elaphe Obsoleta Linheimeri - Texas Ratsnake
1.1 Morelia Spilota Cheyni - Jungle Carpet Python

Saving for:
Agkistrodon Contortix Mokasen - Northern Copperhead
Epicrates Cenchria Cenchria - Brazilian Rainbow Boa

I have worked with various bitis hots as well as venomoids. The gabbys still can't be free handled even as venomoids! Even an 18 inch snake has some killer sized fangs! A 6 foot gaboon may land you in the hospital even as a venomoid depending on where that fang lands! There are several spots where a 2 inch long, very wide, and very sharp fang can do a lot of damage...not to mention the fact that infection is a threat. Basically if you want a venomoid, get one, if your want hot then go that route. Carefully think about your decision, and decide which fits you best. A properly done gabby venomoid is a great display animal, but no more cuddly than their hot counterpart! All you pay the extra money for is basically insurance of liability, and you can sleep without the threat of envenomation! A pretty big gain for a little bit more money.

30 vials of SAMIR polyvent and a 3-7 day stay in extensive care (not to mention other charges ie, helicoptor or ambulance, etc) $30K-$60K average

A good venomoid puff adder runs under $600 usually

Keep that in mind if you plan on having fangs sunken into your skin!

Take care guys!

-Steve Clark

Attached is a pic of a venomoid rhino...it looks much more impressive now, and has been fully rehydrated...very plump beauty! Needless to say it is not too big for freehandling, and that was done only for the photo. She is now 14 inches in length and 3 months old.

Where did you purchase your venomoid from? please send me info?