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yellow throat plated please help

pharoh08 Sep 13, 2004 06:14 PM

well i picked up 2 yellow throat plated lizards today, i was origally just going to get one, but the store offered me both for $50.

so i got a few questions now, i got them in a temp cage till i can build their permant cage, i know their basic needs, but not the full details, like things they prefer. and i can't seem to find any good caresheets

so if you don't mind, heres my q's

#1-im planning on building their cage, and was thinking a 4x4ft floor space, would this be big enough

#2-whats the best substrate for them.

#3-what materials make the best humid hide for them

#4, i know they eat a variety of things, how often should what be given.

#5-how stong of uv lighting should i get, 5.0 or 8.0 seem to be the main choices.

#6-how hot should the hot end be, and how cool should the cool end be.

#7- i know they can swim, so would it be fine to put a pool in their cage, say 6inch deep.

and lastly for now

#8- do their nails need to be trimmed like some of the other larger lizards?

thanx for any and all help.

Replies (8)

Matt Campbell Sep 16, 2004 10:40 PM

To answer your questions:

#1-im planning on building their cage, and was thinking a 4x4ft floor space, would this be big enough

That size would be excellent for a pair. I would say 4 feet in depth is a bit much - you could perhaps make it 3 foot by 5 foot.

#2-whats the best substrate for them.

For all of my Plated Lizards I use cypress mulch or pine bark nuggets [in small size]. I keep substrate to a shallow depth of about 2 inches or so. They don't seem to burrow much if you give them good hide spots.

#3-what materials make the best humid hide for them

I just direct misting into the artificial crevices I've made as hide spots. For a nesting site for my one female I use moistened Bed-A-Beast [ground up coconut husk].

#4, i know they eat a variety of things, how often should what be given.

They're fairly omnivorous so I offer mine superworms [Zoophobas], crickets, nightcrawlers, Ectotherm Yummies brand Forest Tortoise gel food, Ectotherm Carnivore Yummies, and last but not least a fair mix of fresh fruits and vegetables including but not limited to, greens [Green and Red Leaf lettuce, green beans - chopped -, turnip and dandelion greens], tomato, strawberries, kiwi, etc.

#5-how stong of uv lighting should i get, 5.0 or 8.0 seem to be the main choices.

I assume you're talking about ZooMed Reptisun 5.0 and Hagen Exoterra 8.0? In any case some testing I've read seems to indicate the Exoterra puts out just as much UVB as the Reptisun. Either would be a good choice.

#6-how hot should the hot end be, and how cool should the cool end be.

I keep mine at an average temperature of 82 - 85 degrees, with a basking spot approaching 90 degrees and cool side around 78 to 80 degrees.

#7- i know they can swim, so would it be fine to put a pool in their cage, say 6inch deep.

I'm not familiar with any citations indicating they like to swim. Most Plated Lizard species are from scrubland type habitat which tends to be somewhat arid or at least not exactly wet. I would say a medium-size water bowl would be acceptable.

and lastly for now

#8- do their nails need to be trimmed like some of the other larger lizards?

If you provide some rocks for basking under spot lights and a good substrate for digging around than they should wear their nails down normally. If you want to handle them on a regular basis [I don't handle mine], then you should probably trim their nails using a pair of small clippers.

Hope this helps. Feel free to post any other questions or email me directly.
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Matt Campbell
Animal Keeper, Small Mammal/Reptile House
Lincoln Park Zoo Chicago, Illinois

Assistant Curator
Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, Illinois

pharoh08 Sep 21, 2004 02:42 PM

cool thanx alot.

one more question, im not sure what the sex of these 2 are. and from what i've read dosen't look like i will any time soon.

but if they were both males, could that cause one to stop eating like it could some other reptiles. the one is a feroucious eater, but the other dosen't seem to interested in his food, even when seperated?

Matt Campbell Sep 27, 2004 12:01 PM

If you have two males, one could be subordinate and the constant stress of being housed with a dominant male could cause it to not eat. The other thing to consider is they are always wild-caught and as such probably harbor numerous parasites. Your non-eating lizard may be secumbing to a parasitic infection brought on the by the stresses of captivity. When in doubt get a fecal exam done by a vet with the follow-up treatments. Finally, males have 11-17 femoral pores, females have no femoral pores.
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Matt Campbell
Animal Keeper, Small Mammal/Reptile House
Lincoln Park Zoo Chicago, Illinois

Assistant Curator
Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, Illinois

pharoh08 Oct 13, 2004 09:50 PM

wait, do the females have them but they are very short, cause the one has longer ones(like 1/3 inch) and the other just has little stubs, but they are about the same body size

Matt Campbell Oct 16, 2004 11:39 PM

Only male Yellow-throated Plated Lizards should have femoral pores. If both of yours are exhibiting pores then you have two males and you should separate them.
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Matt Campbell
Animal Keeper, Small Mammal/Reptile House
Lincoln Park Zoo Chicago, Illinois

Assistant Curator
Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, Illinois

pharoh08 Oct 21, 2004 05:14 PM

well the other one is active and eating now, it has just tiny little stubs there about the lenght of the inside of the "a", and its bigger than the other one by a bit.

Matt Campbell Oct 28, 2004 02:16 PM

Did you separate them as I had suggested? I have had my two G. major together for an extended period of time and I've noticed very stiff competition for food during feeding times so I'm going to have to separate them again and only introduce them during breeding season. You may indeed have a male and female. From my experience males do tend to be slightly larger than females.
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Matt Campbell
Animal Keeper, Small Mammal/Reptile House
Lincoln Park Zoo Chicago, Illinois

Assistant Curator
Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, Illinois

pharoh08 Nov 07, 2004 04:18 PM

the male and female haven't been seperated, but i have been watching them closey and they only seem to compete for food with crickets, for everything else there is no competition.

both are doing well, gaining weight, and coloring up very nicley, im working on some new cages for the pair and the other male i rescued.

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