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Handling King Cobras

hammer Sep 14, 2005 07:13 PM

I was told Carmichael may be of some help, but I'll take advice from anyone… I have three king cobras, all in the 12 foot range. Two are in front loaders, the other in a top and side loader. With the top, I can easily control him, coaxing him into the box so I can get in for maintenance. The other two, however, are a bit more challenging. They don’t go into the box voluntarily, so if I want them safely secured, I open the front end and use a hook to persuade them into the box, which is not easy. Although not the safest way of getting them in the box, that’s not my main concern. It takes a long time to get them to go in, and all the while, I know it stresses them out. I don’t like to use tongs, because with a 12 foot body, it can exert a lot of torque, so if I try to secure him, I have to use a lot of pressure, which I don’t want to do cause it may hurt him.

What is the best way of securing these guys, quickly and, safely? I just don’t like the way I’m doing it.

Replies (4)

Carmichael Sep 14, 2005 07:50 PM

You can try several things based on what info you are providing (I, too, have struggled with the same issues when working with them). I might recommend a removable/portable shift box that you use as the primary hide boxes (perhaps one on each side of the cage). As your king gets used to hiding in these boxes, it will become quite easy to manage. By affixing a hinged door that can be closed with a long hook once the snake is inside,and, then a lasp that will allow you to secure the door and lock it, will make your life much easier. Once inside the box and the door is closed and secured, you can just remove the box from the cage so that you can go about maintaining the enclosure, cleaning water bowls, etc. Depending on what type of cage you are using, you might consider an external shift box. This will require some extra modifications as you will need to drill a hole into the side of the cage and using a piece of PVC pipe, you will then caulk this piece which will then run into the shift box; once inside, you can use a cap or something to properly restrain the snake (make sure you have a small "peep" hole into the shift box so that you know exactly where the king is when inside). Once again, this external shift box could actually be a hide area for your snake which it will quickly recognize and readily dart into when disturbed. The less you have to actually make contact with the snake the better....safety is always the number one priority.

Does that make any sense? If you have any questions just let me know.

Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center
Lake Forest, IL

>>I was told Carmichael may be of some help, but I'll take advice from anyone… I have three king cobras, all in the 12 foot range. Two are in front loaders, the other in a top and side loader. With the top, I can easily control him, coaxing him into the box so I can get in for maintenance. The other two, however, are a bit more challenging. They don’t go into the box voluntarily, so if I want them safely secured, I open the front end and use a hook to persuade them into the box, which is not easy. Although not the safest way of getting them in the box, that’s not my main concern. It takes a long time to get them to go in, and all the while, I know it stresses them out. I don’t like to use tongs, because with a 12 foot body, it can exert a lot of torque, so if I try to secure him, I have to use a lot of pressure, which I don’t want to do cause it may hurt him.
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>>What is the best way of securing these guys, quickly and, safely? I just don’t like the way I’m doing it.
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Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, IL

TimCole Sep 14, 2005 10:16 PM

How long have you had the snakes? I have a pair of them and they took a few weeks to adjust. I use a portable shift box. I harassed them with a hook until they went into the box to avoid me. After a couple months a couple light taps with the hook was enough for them to go in the box on their own. Beleive it or not, now all I do is open the cage and my male will put his front 2ft into the box and sit there while I service the cage with the rest of his body and tail out of the box! I have had my male for 3 years. They are smart and learn the routines. This can work for you or against you. Mine are feeding on unscented frozen rats and are Thailand locale. They are in front opening cages (6ft Neodeshas). Be consistant with your husbandry practises and they will make it easier given time.
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phobos Sep 14, 2005 10:24 PM

Nice Rob! It makes sense to me. Thomas E. has a system like that. I got to see them because he shipped his collection to out prior to Katrina's arrival.

Hammer: I think you're local to me. If you want help designing something I would be willing to help you out. Just email me off forum.

Al
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You can take the snake out of the jungle but you can't take the jungle out of the snake.

Jaykis Sep 15, 2005 06:48 PM

Years ago I was involved with a facilty where we had a 7' Black Mamba in an aquarium tank w/secure lid. We kept a hide box with a drop door controlled by 2 strings from the top. The door was weighted, and the box was grooved so the snake couldn't push it open. Most of the time we just kept an eye on the snake and lowered the door when the cage needed cleaning and it was in the box. I did enjoy watching Rom Whittaker's King Cobra video at Daytona where he uses a large bag and a pvc pipe at one end when catching them in the wild. Seemed to work well.

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