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This year one my pure Whitewater albino rosys decided to throw 3 pastels in the litter of varying expression. A second female breeding for the first time using the same male also dropped a few. Only time will tell, but they appear to be a true genetic pastel Whitewater Albino. I am curious how these will appear as they develop into adults?

Larry
American Desert Boas

American Desert Boas

Last year...we bought 2 pairs of whitewater albino rosies...2 faded and 2 normal...the normal Amel male died...leaving us with the faded male...are these faded Amels considered Pastels then???

The Normal Amel female just droped 7 babies from the faded male...still waiting on the faded female.
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Michael Enriquez

Is pastel just used for unattractive normal rosy now turned albino and just given a funky name to help it sell.

You can think of it like that, or you know, you could think of it sort of like snakes with a lighter, faded color thats usually accompanied by thinner then normal stripes. Your choice.

but is that color genetic...and i like the faded color...although...pastel is not really a good name for it.
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Michael Enriquez

I'll agree that it's not a good way to name it. I don't think the way most "genetics" are being handled right now are using very good methods. From the overly abundent mis-use of "co-dominate," to local mixing, to mis-represented hybrids, to naming every other thing that pops up. It all seems rather lame to me. But it's still what's going on, and there's no point on fighting with people that are general posters on these boards.

Pretty much just a really light amel. At least that is what I understand the name as. There is not anything genetically unique to the "pastels" that I am aware of. I guess some people could consider them ugly, I like them just because they offer the customer the same diversity in color intensity that the normally pigmented Whitewater specimens do.
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James Wilson
Pacific Coast Herpetological
www.pacificcoastherpetological.com

I don't know......Is Keith just used for unappreciative bitter boy now turned donkey and just given a funky name to help him sell himself. Kind of a LMAO comment coming from one of the original (golden eye) "mutt masters" don't you think.

Seriously dude, what's happened to you over the past few years? When was the last time you had anything positive to say about anybody else's Rosys? Granted that pic isn't the best. I've seen a few of the "pastel" looking albino Rosys, and they are more appealing in person than in pics. Pastel is just a nice descriptive name and who knows, could be genetic or a line breedable trait. Why don't you enlighten us with some constructive thoughts from your experience, instead of your endless brays of negative noise.

Eimon

....about the picture I'm going to post tomorrow. Intrigued, senor Glueux ??

Yeah, do you have another jacka..., I mean donkey to show us?....LOL. Of course I am Mr. Lamp. At least something brought you back to the surface....hehe. Good to see you still with us.

Eimon

PS- does tomorrow mean 12:00:01 am PST

for official correspondence, it's Gloux........lol.

Nah, tomorrow means in the morning, 'cause I got to sleep after all that commotion last night! And you know what all this rain means.......you rolling tonight ??

Eimon
Rosies could have been as great as ball pythons are right know if if all the donkeys over the last 10 years could have held there negative comments back. I think the greast comment from
rosy breeders over the years is that the white water rosies aren't even albinos. The damage to rosy boas have been great from the very begining with other breeders that had other motives to promote there rosies over others. Yes I'm tried of dealing with all of it, thats why I have chosen to no longer have any rosy boas. Theres always been pastel rosy boas, the first male caught was a pastel and we tried to breed the nicest
orange white waters we could to get rid of the pastel and make
super bright orange albinos. Its always going to pop up from time to time but don't hype it up like it's someting new.

Actually, I very much agree with your post. We all know you do have considerable experience with Rosys, and were at the start of a lot of the "craze." Discussion in this way is is so much easier and productive, even if persons don't agree with everything said. I would be great to see more of your input like this so we can flush out some of the "junk" from the real stuff. There seems to be a resurgence of interest in Rosys again, with a lot of new people getting excited and involved. Locality, designer, morphs, whatever. Talk like this would be much better to keep them informed. There's always room to learn something new, at least for me (well, one in a while...hehe) Hope you might feel like contributing a little more if we can all keep it more even edged. 2 things- I never will claim that I've never been a donkey at times, and I don't really think the "pastel" use was meant to seem like it was something brand new.

Regards,
Eimon

PS- a little less equine like today.......lol

You both made very good points and I too think Keith's last post was very informative.
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James Wilson
Pacific Coast Herpetological
www.pacificcoastherpetological.com

That comment is kind of funny, if not bit hypocritical, isn't it?

Call the rosys what you want, I have a much bigger issue with breeders representing rosys as healthy that are carrying IBD and other pathogens...

I do not need to promote "Pastel" to sell rosys. There is something different about these relating to either 1)a genetic basis, or 2) a development deficiency/insufficiency. Only time will tell. I found it odd that my proven albino female produced these in her third litter. If there is a genetic basis, than it can lead to other possibilities. The other albino female producing some pastel looking rosys is a true pastel looking albino herself WITH BLACK SPOTS. In this latter case it seems to be pigment intensity related. I might post a picture of her later.

In the final analysis, phenotype is what sells, and sometimes different phenotype presentations are more easily differentiated with a characteristic name. I intend to select names I am personnaly comfortable with or put a smile on my face and get people excited about rosys again. Don't loose any sleep over it.

Larry Risen
American Desert Boas and Rosyboa.com

American Desert Boas

Larry, I have to agree. Maybe it is genetic, maybe it is not. The term has been used by numerous breeders, and I personally see no harm in it.
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James Wilson
Pacific Coast Herpetological
www.pacificcoastherpetological.com