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One of my Cottonwood Rosy Boas finaly dropped last week, three babies and three slugs (better than nothing). This is the first time breeding for this female and the male. One of the three babies is Pink. The pictures do not show it well, but it is very noticably pink. I have never seen anything like it. I have it pictured here with one of the other sibblings; this one is the normal straw color background. Two of the three have already eaten before shedding too.

Pink should look more like cotton candy. Yours look pink but I had to find the right pair of glasses.

Wow, that is different looking. What is it? Looks like a "pastel" amel Whitewater.

My pics suck at showing the pink color of mine. I showed it to my wife (not a snake person) and she said "oh my god, that snake is pink"! I am refering to the light stripes or background color though not the dark stripes like yours. The dark stripes on this Cottonwood are normal brick color, the background color is pink almost muave (mauve) it is especially noticable on the head which these pics do not show at all. I might try again today, there must be away to get a good pic of the color. I really have never seen anything like it. It's a female, I will probably keep her.

They eyes on "Cotton Candy are normal. It is not amel. It is an animal from my red albino project and it is het for albino.

It is an amel. More specifically it is a Whitewater amel. However,as we discussed earlier, it may, or may not, have more going on with it than just that.
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James Wilson
Pacific Coast Herpetological
www.pacificcoastherpetological.com

I checked the eyes as you sugested and no it is not amel at all. I still have the animal and will provide you with a nice head shot.

The eyes are not affected by the whitwater amel gene. Which is why the snows that are made from them have black eyes that carry over from the anery. It is definitely an amel Bill... Honestly we can talk about eyes all day long, but that animal is an amel at the very least.
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James Wilson
Pacific Coast Herpetological
www.pacificcoastherpetological.com

James, since you are obviously a psychic there is no need for me to say anything about the animals I have been working with for the last twelve years. What I can do is simply post a picture and you can name them for me, it saves me a lot of time and trouble, I like it. By giving a complicated animal a simple name helps simple minded people understand complex issues, You’re awesome

Well in twelve years you haven't been able to even figure out what you have, or that "unicolor" not a color mutation, but rather just a geographic color phase. Of course, I am glad to help anytime, and just try to keep your stories straight next time you post. Bill, here is the pic you sent me. Notice that this copy is uncropped, so there is no way you can say I saved it from here and reposted it.

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James Wilson
Pacific Coast Herpetological
www.pacificcoastherpetological.com

Why does my special amel have black scales underneith? Can I still keep the simple name, please.

"I still have the animal and will provide you with a nice head shot."

I am assuming it is frozen. This is the same pic (I have it saved in my files) that you sent me asking if I thought it was a snow. You told me that it was born last year, and that it died a few weeks later... Something is very fishy. By the way Bill, Rosy Boas cannot be het for unicolor...
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James Wilson
Pacific Coast Herpetological
www.pacificcoastherpetological.com

Why don't you pull it out from the freezer and send us a belly shot along with that head shot?
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James Wilson
Pacific Coast Herpetological
www.pacificcoastherpetological.com

I am quite content with your label and I will be posting unlabeled pictures eagerly awaiting your labeling, I like your style so much I am going to offer you a job as my personal marketing manager.

I am fine helping you free of charge
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James Wilson
Pacific Coast Herpetological
www.pacificcoastherpetological.com

Thank you I like the uncroped version better. Im glad you changed your mind from snow to amel. I thought it was snow because it looked like the snows you were posting.

Snows are amels that also happen to be anerytheristic. This is what I was referring to when I said it was at least an amel, and that it might have something else going on as well. There is just no way to know for sure. My guess is that it is a pastel amel like Rick said in his first response to you (just not a pure whitewater). Anyway, I am still wondering why you told me that that snake died???
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James Wilson
Pacific Coast Herpetological
www.pacificcoastherpetological.com

Relax, you have awsome animals. Don't forget I have the pair that produced that animal last year and they produced again this year. Keep up the good work and try not worry so much, your friend, Bill

Just poking fun at you your snakes look awsome.

It's almost as if you two know each other and don't get along well; just a vibe I am getting, I am very attuned to these sort of things (lol).

I do not really Know Bill very vell. We have had a few phone conversations, and he seems like a very nice guy. The explanitions of the genetics in his projects were, shall we say, unique. I also found the conflicting stories a bit odd I guess. I was originally approached by him wanting my opinion on if that "Cotton Candy Rosy" could possibly be a snow. He told me that he got much of his breeding stock from Keith Carlson. Because of that, I said that it might be possible, and that if it was not a snow, that it was a nice pastel amel. I alked him to look at the eyes with a loupe to see if they had the solid black look that is carried over from the anerys, and he said that that specific specimen was born last year, and that it died a few weeks after birth. This obviously does not seem to match what he was saying here. Then things just got weird...
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James Wilson
Pacific Coast Herpetological
www.pacificcoastherpetological.com

Yes the animal posted is deceased and in the freezer. Yes I still have it for examination. Yes the original adults were bred again this year. Yes last years Cotton Candy has black tick marks on the belly. Yes I am using this year’s offspring in conjunction with a red hypo to make a red albino if possible. Yes I am weird. James I still think you're an alright guy possibly in need of anger managment but we can remain friends.

That was not even close to angry. When I get angry I get big, green, and even uglier than I already am. Bill, I appreciate your kind words, but I am sure that you can see how when you said: "I checked the eyes as you sugested and no it is not amel at all. I still have the animal and will provide you with a nice head shot", I and others here may have taken it to mean that you were still working with that specific snake.
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James Wilson
Pacific Coast Herpetological
www.pacificcoastherpetological.com

I was just going to send you a headshot that I took last year, I think I have a good one but I will root through my files.

I would love to see it. You know I think that that is an incredible snake. I wish it was still alive.
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James Wilson
Pacific Coast Herpetological
www.pacificcoastherpetological.com

I am sending a picture showing dark tick marks on the belly. Max helped me post the last picture and you can post the picture for the viewers if you wish........Bill

I read a post here a couple weeks ago I believe from Larry Risen
who stated that some of his albinos have black flecking on the belly. I don't understand the geneticsall that well yet and was wondering at the time how that is possible. would it be considered some type of parodox? Is amel not the total lack of blk(melinen) I believe that post was mixed in with the contrivercy about the "Ghost" term.

I am posting another pic of Bill's Cotton candy Pink Rosy Boa. I personally feel that the "black ticking" that you mention is not that dark and not enough to be of concern. It is my understanding that this animal is the result of crossing Keith Carlson's Whitewater Amel gene into the Unicolors from South San diego county and Northwestern Baja. If this is correct, it may explain the mild light peppering you see there on the belly. That is just my opinion. I would like to know what others think. It sure is a unique looking pink Rosy.
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James Wilson
Pacific Coast Herpetological
www.pacificcoastherpetological.com

I am posting another pic of Bill's Cotton candy Pink Rosy Boa. I personally feel that the "black ticking" that you mention is not that dark and not enough to be of concern. It is my understanding that this animal is the result of crossing Keith Carlson's Whitewater Amel gene into the Unicolors from South San diego county and Northwestern Baja. If this is correct, it may explain the mild light peppering you see there on the belly. That is just my opinion. I would like to know what others think. Other opinions are always a good thing! It sure is a unique looking pink Rosy.

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James Wilson
Pacific Coast Herpetological
www.pacificcoastherpetological.com

Max is inlarging the picture so you can see the detail.

I shoulda looked at the frozen snake - I thought the pic looked amel/snow too, but Sighthunter has seen enough albino rosy eyes to know what he's talking about.
Let's hope the mother drops another couple of these in the next few days.
Max

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"I may be crazy, but ya know... I can rationalize just about anything."

Thank you Max.