Original post by reptoman — 2013-04-29 22:51:48 GMT
Captured in Palm Springs by noose....
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Original post by albrechtjg — 2017-08-27 21:10:26 GMT
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]]>Original post by BonnieK — 2016-01-07 09:33:59 GMT
Hi Rosebuds if you are still out there.
My female Sceloporus serrifer cyanogenys, Abby, is pregnant again! Unfortunately her mate is gone, having died unexpectedly in November. But he got to her before his demise. She is huge! Will not get her a mate at this time. Kept two of the seven that she gave birth to last year. They are Jack and Jill. Even though his Daddy was never mean to him, Jack was always a subordinate little guy. Since his Daddy's passing, he is finally really lifting his head and taking stock of his home. He pretty much looks about the same size as his Daddy was when I got him years ago. If things go well for him, he should start to develop the pre-blue-belly thin lines on each side of his abdomen by April or May. I will probably keep another little male just in case something were to happen to him.
Original post by lindafell — 2015-12-24 23:05:54 GMT
Can you keep more than one Texas Spiny Lizard in the same enclosure? My kids have caught two lizards recently. One is pretty small, about 2 inches, and the other is about 4 inches. We've had the smaller one for almost a month and it's eating and seems to be doing well. The bigger one was just caught. I have no idea of their sex.
Thanks,
lindafell
Original post by BonnieK — 2014-12-26 11:03:08 GMT
Does anyone out there know the exact dosages of calcium, Vitamin B, etc. during pregnancy of the Blue Spiny Lizard? She's also got 10.0 Reptisun lights, basking lights, warmth, etc. Recently I've also given her two homeopathic remedies to help her uptake of calcium. She has been going off-feed; shows interest her food, but doesn't eat well. She weighs approximately 1.0 to 1.05 oz at this time. Male and she first seen breeding on October the 31st of this year. Gestation period? Also a guess. If anyone has experience with breeding these lizards please let me know the dosages. Had a few years ago, but they were fully mature wild-caught females when I got them. This one is still young, as is the male. Age estimate about 2 1/2 to 3 years.
Reply by BonnieK — 2015-03-21 08:53:48 GMT
Hi Rosebuds,
Babies, babies, BABIES! Never did get a chance to cage Abby. Days just kept flying by and before I knew it, we had BABIES! on Monday, March the 16th. I was at work, my husband went to the dentist at 10:45. No babies. By the time he got home at around 11:45, there were seven. SEVEN! All from a Mama with a SVL of about 4 inches. Holy Cow! Her weight the day before was at 1.25 oz., and I remember saying that I'd have to cage her soon. Male, Fin, is not in any shape to eat them. He has an eye infection that we're treating at this time, (Abby likes to crawl up onto his head and put her fingers in his eyes; now he has a swollen lower lid). Anyway, it's been an unusually busy week otherwise for me. I can usually sex these guys right after birth. The males have larger, more triangular skulls, and the females are diminutive. First glance, it looks like I have two males and five females, but I want to check again this weekend. One female is a runt, I'll keep her along one male. The rest, I will try to find good, knowledgeable homes for. Already went through a box of 500 pinhead crickets, bought 500 more 1/4 inch and 500 more 1/2 inch. Also feeding them small mealies and waxies. I breed them and usually always have a supply of "small" baby-sized food. Guess my husband and I are grandparents now!
Reply by BonnieK — 2015-01-22 12:51:34 GMT
Will certainly keep you posted. Hopefully this will be a civilized birth. Yeah, right...that'll never happen with lizards!
Reply by rosebuds — 2015-01-19 16:31:15 GMT
Please keep me posted! :-D
Reply by BonnieK — 2015-01-19 10:46:07 GMT
OK, will try this. The basking temperatures are up; she's leaving the areas when she gets too warm. She probably won't care to be caged for a short time, but she'll have to get over it. Years ago, I had a female who "popped" before I thought she was going to. She went to the other side of the room, hung on the screen, and let them fly. I had started to clean the Lizard Room after she started. Imagine my surprise when I picked up what I thought was one of her feces with a Kleenex and it moved and ran!
Reply by rosebuds — 2015-01-18 17:05:44 GMT
I would try to separate her until after she gives birth. The presence of any other lizards can stress gravid females, especially males. Then they do cannibalize. Insectivores and carnivores will eat their one kind if they have the opportunity.
Reply by BonnieK — 2015-01-17 10:21:33 GMT
OK, I will lower the basking lights. Actually she is separating herself from the male pretty much on her own. She climbs the sticks and goes inside the curtain folds near the ceiling. It is quite warm in that area, and she seems to feel hidden and secluded. May have to cage her anyway. Still getting FATTER at this time. Those babies have got to drop soon!
Reply by rosebuds — 2015-01-13 04:45:56 GMT
About separating. When I kept these, they thrived with a basking temp that ranged from 90-110.
I would also try to separate. I think the male will eat the babies, and she could stress if she is worried about that.
I hope she delivers them without problems. I had a female deliver, but she was a rescue, and I didn't have a chance to get her as healthy as possible before she delivered. All but one baby were dead.
Reply by BonnieK — 2015-01-10 08:42:44 GMT
Yes, she is with the male. I can't separate the two. She has spurned his advances lately so they just lay together. And he hasn't been "bothering" her lately. She has started to eat well again. Gave her extra calcium, Minerall-I, a dose of Vitamin D3, and two homeopathic remedies, Calcarea Phosphorica and Calcarea Carbonicum both in a 30C potency. As far as temperatures go, my lizards are not caged. They live on tables adjacent to casement windows. Suspended from the ceiling on chains are Reptisun's 10.0, with adjacent basking lights. The regular cage furniture includes houseplants, sticks at the windows, rocks, heat rocks, a water dish, etc. Since they are free to roam, they pick their places to sit. If they want more heat, they lay on the rock under the basking light, (which has now been dropped down from the summertime suspension from the ceiling). Temps range from 74 degrees at night to 95 degrees during the day. The lizards pick their areas. Too cold, to the sunny windows or the basking lights...too warm, to another area. For the last two days, the female has gone off feed again in spite of the ongoing treatment mentioned above. She also hangs upright on the window screens or curtains. She is FAT! But is still healthy at this time. Having raised these guys in the past, and seeing x-rays of pregnant/gravid females, I suspect that she needs the "lung space" and gets it by sitting upright. The first mating was observed on October the 31st. This sitting and the new disinterest in food has me thinking that she's about ready to give birth.
Reply by rosebuds — 2015-01-09 23:40:17 GMT
And what exactly are her temps? How are you measuring them?
Original post by Tooth1ess — 2014-05-24 23:19:54 GMT
Hello! I have a small fence lizard. I was wondering how much to feed him? He is 4.5 inches long from nose to tail, 2 inches without his tail. He still seems fairly young. He has been eating 1-2 medium crickets a day. Does it seem like I'm over feeding him? Thanks!
]]>Original post by reptoman — 2013-04-29 22:51:48 GMT
Captured in Palm Springs by noose....
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Original post by db2010mvp — 2013-02-08 21:08:32 GMT
Is anybody out there working with these guys? I have a large captive bred group and am looking for some bloodline trades. I would also like to discuss their breeding and care. Mine seem to really enjoy greens. I would love to see your photos.
Stephen
Sj_pets101@yahoo.com
Www.sjpets01.com
Reply by BonnieK — 2014-07-04 09:37:28 GMT
Hi Stephen,
Yes, I've been working with these guys for years on and off as availability merited. Currently have one male. Got him on April 19, 2013, (along with a female). The female passed last December, (leaving veterinarians scratching their heads). The male is fine and fit as a fiddle. Went from 0.50 oz., (highly parasitized when I got him), to 1.90 oz. in the past year. Actually went to Laredo, Texas in 2012, (for a pair), and again in April of this year searching for a female. Most of my search was South of Laredo on the second trip. Found them, but woo they are fast!!! No luck in catching one. Went to your "SJ Pets" website, and found that you had them in February. One thing I've never done is find the correct "greens" for these guys. You said that they are omnivorous. What do you feed them as far as fruits or veggies are concerned? And how do you catch their interest in an unmoving item in their dish. On another note, I practice lay homeopathy on my lizards. If you have CB hatchlings, I may suggest two homeopathic medicines. They are Calcarea Phosphoricum, (mouth and teeth development), and Calcarea Carbonicum, (for Calcium deficiency). Both work with the Calcium supplements that you give the young to "kick" their systems into utilizing the calcium given. As I said above, noticed your website. Am interested in a female for my male. He did go after my female last year; there is no problem with breeding him! I stopped him due to her illness. If you want new bloodlines, I'll be glad to help. So will he. God knows, I gave 17 out of 19 babies to a pet shop years ago. I mean, unless you are a breeder, what can you do with all of those babies? Future ones may be yours if you want them. I am looking for an outlet for all of those little mouths to feed.
Thanks,
BonnieK
P.S. I don't get on my computer every day. Please be patient with me. I don't have Facebook or Twitter. Just e-mail.
Original post by Lulu6603 — 2013-01-27 16:45:50 GMT
Hello, I have a pair of texas spineys. I have had them since June of last year. One of my pair (not sure male or female) has been laying on the basking log with it's nose pointing toward the ceiling and has been this way for hours now. It's in some sort of trance. It's holding it's head up pretty high. I typically cannot pick them up but he/she is allowing it today. Body looks fine. Well nourished no sores. This is a fixed position not push ups. Any ideas what this behavior means? Thank you.
]]>Original post by wldktrptls — 2013-01-24 18:43:27 GMT
Two days ago i came accross a nice sized male WFL underneath a small refridgerator i was moving out of my garage. I didnt notice it at first due to some leaves that were also under there that and the lizard was not moving. It seemed quite torpid so i assumed it had been there a good while..probably brumating there as its been cool/cold as of late for the region( pasadena ca) In that my herd of cats also frequent this garage i felt i couldnt just leave him there and he seemed too cold to effectively relocate to a suitible spot so i set up a small tank with potting soil/local dirt mix for substrate and wood for hide spots and brought him indoors. Needless to say he perked up pretty quick once he warmed up... So my question is when would be the best time to release him? Its rather cold and rainy here and will probably so for the next few days and with the cats around i'd like him to have a decent chance to find a spot to ride out the winter. Or should i keep him indoors for a couple months then release him once it warmer? Or perhaps place the enclosure back in the garage where i found him but with the security of the cage to protect him from cats? Any thoughts?
Thanks!
Guy
Original post by bandyman — 2012-10-21 13:20:26 GMT
I have been looking for info on hibination on the western fence lizard. I can't seem to find any?
Can any one help me with hibination/breeding sheet?
Hope some one can help
Reply by tspuckler — 2012-11-30 23:20:25 GMT
You can cool them in the same manner as people cool Corn Snakes.
Tim
Third Eye Herp
Original post by cochran — 2012-08-04 14:20:17 GMT
Which of the spiny lizards is the largest? I saw one at a friends house years ago that looked huge to me but can't what it was exactly!! Thanks!
Jeff
Reply by db2010mvp — 2012-08-19 18:42:53 GMT
Largest is the Texas Blue Spiny. I used to have some that were the size of a female bearded dragon 14-15 inches. I gave away my collections years ago and recently purchased 3 babies. They are sub adults now.
Reply by cochran — 2012-08-14 18:56:47 GMT
That's what I was thinking.Thanks for the reply!!
Jeff
Reply by shadowguy — 2012-08-12 19:45:55 GMT
I'd have to say Desert Spiny Lizards are the largest AKA Sceloporus magister. I've seen large males in the 10" to 11" range with considerable bulk to match. Whether or not something else lurks well south of the border is another question however.
Original post by blueboost68 — 2011-06-30 03:06:32 GMT
looking for some to breed cuting back on my louisiana milks any spinys would be great
]]>Original post by nickstone — 2011-06-27 18:53:38 GMT
I was on a job today and somebody found a clutch of eggs in a pile of sand that was about to be turned into concrete. I'm assuming that they are some sort of sceloporus eggs based on the high number of them I see all day long in the area. I was hoping somebody could help me out with a how to hatch tutorial.
Thanks, Nick
]]>Original post by kovet — 2011-05-23 03:48:07 GMT
Im assuming the 2 first lizards are females and the 3rd lizard is a male. Am I correct?
Original post by Eve — 2011-04-15 03:32:55 GMT
This is the lovely Honeysuckle, shes one fine looking lady :0) shes gravid and due to lay anytime and make her handsome hubby "Cockleburr" ... a dad)
Honeysuckle * female orange headed desert spiny
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Suncharmers Colorful Collareds & More
Reply by BCK — 2011-06-24 06:55:07 GMT
Eve, I read your section on mites. Bought a beautiful female Sceloporus o. occidentalis last March...Daisy. Quarantine consisted of doses of Albon, (coccidia), and Panacur, (pinworms). She was also LOADED with mites, (all Sceloporus seem to be a mite's lunchbox). Learned a very sorry lesson. In the past, I used rubbing alcohol on a Q-tip quickly followed with cool water to kill the mites. It worked, but I was worried about any toxic effects of the alcohol. I went to Vaseline to smother the little (you fill in the word; I can't think of a nice one at this point), and dotted her body wherever I saw them. About a month ago, I saw what looked like a sore on her belly. I picked at it a little with a fingernail, (thought she'd had a splinter), and before I knew it, the skin had turned black and scaly around it. Took her to the vet...not knowing what this was, he gave me Baytril. More little abscesses popped up here and there, and I let them alone figuring that the Baytril would work. Closer inspection showed that there was an actual little hole into the skin at each abscess. Apparently, the mites burrowed into her, and her internal organs then became their lunchbox. Now this lizard showed no signs of apparent bad health. Studies show that Sceloporus are pretty tolerant of heavy mite loads, but still we do like to eradicate them. Daisy was eating well, was active, and interacted with my husband and me on a daily basis. She unexpectedly died yesterday. My husband was home at the time, called me at work, and said she had appeared a bit limp. When he picked her up, she kicked a few times, and died. I got home, and found that the inside of her mouth was filled with blood. From the gular area outward. The mites probably got to an internal organ, (stomach?, lungs?), and caused a massive internal hemmorhage. So...oil or alcohol...what do you think?
Reply by Luis — 2011-04-20 20:20:35 GMT
Thank you very much for the info. I plan to house a pair of emerald swifts together all yr long but was not sure if possible.
I am debating whether outside all yr long (S.Florida) or indoors.
Yes loved your site as amazing stock you have but particularly loved this part as found it very informative more so than some books-
http://suncharmers.com/FAQ.html
Reply by Eve — 2011-04-18 02:49:38 GMT
Hi, thank you for the nice comments :0) appreciate it glad you enjoyed my critters.
Yes I keep them together all year round. They were brumated for about 6 weeks with my other lizards and the male has not stopped head bobbin and dancin around her since. Shes about ready to lay, definitely should be fertile as I have walked into the rep room several times and seen them mating.
** Not sure if they are just really INTO it or what, lol. Heres the male
Cockleburr male desert spiny
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Suncharmers Colorful Collareds & More
Reply by Luis — 2011-04-17 03:07:30 GMT
Nice specimen. I also enjoyed your site.
Loved the great looking collard lizards.
The mite section was great. I have never had mites and took it for granted .
Did you house your male and female together all yr long?
Thanks
Original post by Luis — 2011-03-27 21:41:59 GMT
Hello
Has anyone bred Emerald Swifts?
If so any info such as day/night temps ,etc will be great.
Thank you.
]]>Original post by BCK — 2011-03-20 12:34:51 GMT
Help! Just bought a small lizard at a local reputable pet shop. Wanted Sceloporus. They had one left. Told me it was occidentalis. Now not so sure. Head recently shed, a grayish color. A bit of lateral striping from eye to eye. But parietal region appears to be a "bulge," and not the indentation at the parietal eye found in occidentalis. Rest of body brown with the crescent markings on the back. No lateral striping as far as I could tell, (occidentalis-none). Back of forearms yellowish color, (occidentalis), but back of rear legs no yellow, (graciosus). Also back of legs have very, very small femoral pores. Scales appear granular, but as I've said, this lizard is very small. Also trying to sex this lizard. Has two blue belly bands, (no black lines), and some faint blue on the throat indicating a male, but there are no hemipenal bulges, and the tail is thin. Again, occidentalis vs. graciosus. Checked www.californiaherps.com for comparisons. Occidentalis, like all of the other Sceloporus males has the two large postanals. But the graciosus does not seem to have these. Just granular post- anals. So HELP! Do these lizards interbreed in overlapping areas? Would like to find a mate for this lizard, would also like to name it. But without a sex determination, cannot even name it. For now, it is the "Little One."
Thanks-Bonnie
Occidentalis vs. graciosus
Original post by allanbartlett — 2011-03-01 00:17:35 GMT
So the last few years as I have taken trips out to the deserts and mountains, my fascination with Granite Spiny Lizards(Sceloporus Orcutti) has grown. They are the prettiest Spiny Lizards IMO save for maybe the really cobalt blue Spiny Lizards from mainland Mexico(Sceloporus Minor). It's easy to tell the difference between males and females in the adults. A few weeks ago I was able to capture a couple of adults and set them up in an aquarium. I'm new to their husbandry. I know they need both warmth and UV light to be successful. I'm also going to vary their diet as much as possible between mealworms, crickets, waxworms, and local insects around the house here in Irvine that I will collect.
They really are cool lizards. They are kings and queens of their rocky outcrops where they live. Good luck trying to catch them by hand in the middle of the day. They are very wary lizards. I've found that the best way to catch them is either to noose them or coax them out of a rock crack with a coat hanger or other type of stick. I've also heard of people catching them early in the morning under artificial cover by rocky outcrops when they are cold and slower moving.
My plan is to try and breed them for kicks. If anyone has experience getting them to breed I would love to chat and hear about it. If I'm lucky enough to get babies, I will be giving them away to good homes. Here's a pic of the pair that I have...
Reply by Eve — 2011-04-15 03:42:36 GMT
Hey, I just poped over here to post my orangeheaded desert spiny girl and saw this post about granites. I agree with you and Tom the granites are pretty awesome. I have had a pretty pair for quite some time. Wait until yours breed the babys are the cutest darn lil buggers. They are zoomy, hhehee pretty active and are fat lil guys all body for awhile. I just thought they were the cutest kids! :0)
I must say though I love my ornage headed desert spiny pair pretty much too. The female is gorgeous even when not gravid, her head is colorful. The male is handsome too. Keep in touch, let me know how ya make out.
Heres my male Canyon, prettier in person (lousey pic) have to post Shamrock the female later.
Canyon * Granite spiny
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Suncharmers Colorful Collareds & More
Reply by tgreb — 2011-03-06 14:59:09 GMT
they are the prettiest of the scelops! I have kept them in the past biut now all my time is dedicated to sauromalus(the true kings of the rocks! LOL). Eve Panis on the collared lizard forum has kept them for a few years and I think bred them. You might want to go over to that forum and get to know her. Also she has her own web page, Suncharmers. Good luck!
Tom Greb
Original post by SVS — 2011-02-24 06:42:38 GMT
I live near Sacramento, California, and we have a lot of Western Fence lizards (blue-bellies) running around. However, I've learned that there are quite a few sagebrush lizards too--how can I tell the difference?
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Reply by gizzy20001 — 2011-08-15 04:25:02 GMT
I'm having a similar issue, I live in southwest Washington, and just went herping in the Yakima area, and found this little lizard, which I thought was a female western fence lizard just like I saw when I visited northeast California. then I read that western fence lizards do no range into Washington but another sub-species does, the northwestern fence lizard. and then I find out that the sagebrush lizard also can be found in Washington, so it could be a male sagebrush......anyways, here are a couple photos.
Reply by tspuckler — 2011-02-28 22:09:18 GMT
For Sagebrush Lizards, the scales on the back of the thigh are mostly granular, not keeled (as they are on the Western Fence Lizard.)
Sagebrush Lizards don't live all that close to Sacramento. You can find range maps and other information at: www.californiaherps.com/
Sagebrush Lizard that I found in Las Vegas area:
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Original post by BCK — 2010-10-23 10:46:57 GMT
Willie, a Yarrow's Spiney Lizard, (Sceloporus jarrovi jarrovii), seeks affectionate lady for a long-term relationship. Physical appearance not important, (stub-tails - OK). Anyone knowing where we can obtain a lady for Willie, please let us know. We are willing to travel to find a girl for him.
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