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  <description><![CDATA[The Chuckwalla is a large stocky wide-bodied lizard with a flattened midsection and prominent belly. Their tails are thick, tapering to a blunt tip. Part of the iguanid family, Iguanidae, there are five species of chuckwalla, all within the genus Sauromalus.

Found primarily in arid regions of the southwestern United States and northern Mexico with a wide distribution in the Sonoran and Mojave Deserts, some are found on coastal islands. The common chuckwalla (Sauromalus ater) is the species with the greatest range, found from southern California east to southern Nevada and Utah, western Arizona and south to Baja California and northwestern Mexico. The peninsular chuckwalla (Sauromalus australis) is found on the eastern portion of the southern half of the Baja California peninsula. The other species are island-dwelling and have much more restricted distribution.

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  <title>Albino chuckwallas</title>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by Shocknaweleos &mdash; 2018-08-10 01:54:36 GMT</p><p>Someone is selling albino chuckwalla on Facebook. <br />
Who is it? Are they legit? Any pictures?</p></div>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by shocknaweleos &mdash; 2018-03-31 01:33:15 GMT</p><p>I saw that nobody has posted here for a while so I thought I'd just lament. <br />
Well, last year was pretty traumatic on the Chuckwalla front. I lost both female Red tails, one Male, and worse of all, my best buddy, Ebinezer,my Angel Island Chuck. They just all went down at once. Only one Male SM survived. I don't know what happened. They were eating and active but just kept losing weight.</p></div>
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  <title>Adding another chuck</title>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by aliceinwl &mdash; 2016-08-18 06:40:13 GMT</p><p>I haven't posted on here in ages. My male cb chuckwalla (Rigel) died unexpectedly last spring (he was only 10). I still have my wc female (Gracie) who is ~14 and looks to be in perfect health. I'd really like to get another cb male.</p>
<p>I initially got Gracie to use as an education animal, but she really hates interacting with people so I got Rigel and used him for all the educational reptile presentations since he was tolerant of handling. They shared a 100 gallon tank and there was never any conflict between them.</p>
<p>Do you think adding a new young chuck is going to cause friction? I saw some cb hatchlings in the classifieds and I'd really like to get Gracie a new companion. I'd also really like a more sociable chuck; Gracie is definitely not a friendly/tolerant lizard.</p>
<p>-Alice</p></div>
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  <title>Edible Plants for Chuckwallas</title>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by MaureenCarpenter &mdash; 2016-07-20 18:32:50 GMT</p><p>Hi All.  I am trying to plant as many edible plants for Chuckwallas in my garden as I can. I currently have Hibiscus, Coreopsis, roses, geraniums, nasturtiums, bower vine, cape honeysuckle, sweet alyssum.  Does anybody know if they can eat a stalkey flower named Guara?</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by shocknaweleos &mdash; 2017-04-18 19:49:41 GMT</p><p>You forgot dandelion flowers. My crew goes crazy for any yellow flowers.</p></div>
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  <title>CB adult South Mountain chucks?</title>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by Shocknaweleos &mdash; 2016-05-12 22:09:22 GMT</p><p>Has anybody seen the fauna ad for CB Redtail chucks? <br />
Does anybody know where this guy got 2 dozen ADULT SMCs?</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by tgreb &mdash; 2016-06-22 10:29:23 GMT</p><p>That berry flavored stuff?  Mine seem to liker it as well.</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by shocknaweleos &mdash; 2016-06-19 20:40:31 GMT</p><p>They seemed to prefer items dusted with MINER-ALL I. lol</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by shocknaweleos &mdash; 2016-06-19 20:37:14 GMT</p><p>Thanks, Tom. My wife got them to take kale if she mists it and chops it fine. I let them get hungry for a few days then gave them variety and they were still picky but ate pretty well.</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by tgreb &mdash; 2016-05-31 13:52:40 GMT</p><p>They look good.  More than likely wild caught especially if only taking dandelion.  Just try working greens into the dandelion.  They should get used to it eventually.</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by shocknaweleos &mdash; 2016-05-30 22:03:08 GMT</p><p>Here they are. Good looking young adult "cb" pair of South Mountain chucks I bought off Faunaclassifieds.com. Finicky eaters but really scarf down dandelions.3<br />
<img class="img-fluid" src="http://gallery.kingsnake.com/data/30948IMG_1086-med.jpg"></p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by shocknaweleos &mdash; 2016-05-28 13:28:28 GMT</p><p>Thanks for the input, Tom and Maureen. All things considered, even if they are wc, it seemed too good to pass up. <br />
They're both healthy and eating and don't mind terribly to be handled. It seems unlikely they would be CB by the price, but these guyseat well and have never given me the "slip" into a crevice whenever I've gone to handle them. That seems like very strange behavior for a wc.</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by tgreb &mdash; 2016-05-18 21:26:14 GMT</p><p>From South Mountain. True captive born go for 600.00/pair so what do you think?</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by MaureenCarpenter &mdash; 2016-05-13 17:30:33 GMT</p><p>Hi Rick!  I am at my same email, but yours has changed.  Call me!<br />
(949) 645-2770  Give me you new email.  Maureen</p></div>
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  <title>Calico Chuckwalla </title>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by DavidE721 &mdash; 2015-02-20 21:38:32 GMT</p><p>I have a 5+ year-old Calico chuck (75% San Esteban Island x 25% Angel Island) that has bladder stones, which can be removed surgically.  However, I am still waiting for the x-ray results to determine if she has a fractured vertebrate as well.  If so, she might not be able to use her hind legs much, if at all.  (Her hind legs are almost completely immobile right now.)</p>
<p>Question:  Supposing that after the surgery she is still unable to use her hind legs and assuming that she might not be able to urinate/defecate on her own, does anyone have any experience with this sort of situation with a view to caring for her?</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by MaureenCarpenter &mdash; 2015-03-14 16:12:37 GMT</p><p>Keep us posted about how she is doing, particularly after the bladder stone is removed.  Who knows if that is affecting those back legs...or WHAT is affecting those back legs.</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by DavidE721 &mdash; 2015-03-13 05:24:28 GMT</p><p>Hello.  No, she fortunately does not have a prolapsed anus.  She is currently undergoing a treatment regimen to build up her calcium level as well as to enable her to defecate.  That said, both the vet and I were surprised when he was able to express stool from her by gently applying pressure along her digestive tract.</p>
<p>She eats well, and she's very alert.  If she continues to make progress such as she is, it will probably be a matter of expressing her stool on a regular basis so as to keep her healthy.  She evidently will not be able to use her hind legs again, but she gets around well by using her front legs nonetheless.</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by MaureenCarpenter &mdash; 2015-03-13 02:28:22 GMT</p><p>Hi David. I responded to your post, but since I followed the thread below, you may not have seen it. Hope she is doing better.  Is there prolapsing of the anus?</p></div>
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  <title>How The Years Pass *   HOOTY</title>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by Eve &mdash; 2015-01-26 19:54:26 GMT</p><p>YO....  hey guys been awhile for sure.  I think I stopped posting soon after hanging up my moderator uniform.  Have not been around much , slipped on ice a couple seasons ago and hurt my back/neck.  Past year I have had  vertigo and been hard to  mess  around on the computer much.</p>
<p>Anyway I may be a bit on the dizzy side, lol, but still have  all my critters surrounding me.</p>
<p>Wanted to update all my old forum pals  about Hooty ( you remember the lil girl chuck BJ sent.... was going to FREEZE because  his incubator was accidently unplugged and she was the only egg that hatched. (With severe disabilities)   Geesh I just re-read that old thread,,, Tom, Johnee, BJ and DVL  you were all talking mean( freezing lil babies)  :0(   but I loved ya all, lmao.</p>
<p>WELL Hooty is 13 years old this year 2015.   She may not appear to be a beauty queen, but has a beautiful fighting spirit,  a very  classy lady, unless you watch her eat banana's. Hehhehee,  She's pretty darn awesome, and can move pretty quick when hungry, :0)   One little chuck girl that was meant to be in this world. <br />
PS. If you happen to see this BJ (I did not think you would freeze her) lol</p>
<p>Hope your all doing great, miss ya, Have a Happy New Year  :0)</p>
<p>Hooty 13 yrs. old<br />
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Eve<br />
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<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by MaureenCarpenter &mdash; 2015-03-01 17:28:48 GMT</p><p>Hey gang!  First of all, GREAT to read your posts.  I sure miss you all!  But, nobody really addressed the question of back leg paralysis for the gentleman! I had a grown granite Chuck five years back or so.  He was rambunctious and healthy until one day...he wasn't.  I came home from work to find him dragging his back legs. I had had him for years, but he was wild caught. The vet could find nothing wrong with him, but his anus was prolapsed.It could have been a virus or whatever, but the prolapse was the cincher.  The vet recommended putting him down and I agreed. The necropsy turned up nothing but no blood work had been done. I have had several Chucks with bladder stones removed in the past year. None of them had any back leg involvement and some of those bladder stones were huge! I recommend finding out if the Calico does have a spinal injury first, before the stone removal. If antibiotics don't relieve the pressure due to swelling (?) on the spine, I think dying of constipation would be pretty hard to bear for the human and the lizard to go through that!</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by johne &mdash; 2015-02-28 05:28:30 GMT</p><p>Holy cow...funny how we all pop in every once in a while.  I was just thinking about the chuck and collared group the other day.  We really kept it alive a few years back, eh?</p>
<p>I'm still traveling for a Bioprocess sales job so no time for pets anymore.   I did gain an interest in growing orchids but those are pretty simple compared to lizards.</p>
<p>I hope everyone is well!<br />
John Eddington</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by Eve &mdash; 2015-02-01 22:09:07 GMT</p><p>Hey Tom,  I'm tickled pink to hear from y a buddy, hahahaha  :0) I'm  a part of the reptile community, lol,  I just did a lot of homing on  some other sites, lol.  Just been missing from KS forums.</p>
<p>My Grebster was asking for ya, lol, he's looking BIG and burly and quite handsome.  Also getting up there in age.  He's such a gentlemen he lives with Miss Hooty and sometimes it is difficult for him to control his LOVE emotions for her, hhhahahaa but he does somehow, seems to understand  and  stops himself (such a GOOD BOY.)  Maybe one day I will get him a breed able sexy female to show my respect to him for  treating Hooty so gently.<br />
I love the granites/reds/ and Pied. Maybe  down the road I will have a couple pairs.</p>
<p>So how the hell have you been buddy?  Kids all grown yet?   Still have lots of chucks?</p>
<p>I miss you all, gosh I used to be on KS 10 times a day, lol.  Moderating and watching the classifieds.  Now I never look as I have my own to sell, hhaahhha.</p>
<p>Hey good to hear back Tom, glad ya posted,  I will try and pop in more , see what's up.<br />
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<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by Eve &mdash; 2015-02-01 21:53:29 GMT</p><p>:0)   Hey Donna thank you, glad to hear from you too!   I think we will always have a full house of critters right till we leave  for HEAVEN.  Then I sure hope we get put in charge of all the animals, hehehehhee,  lol.</p>
<p>I will have to email you and talk  some more.   I have been wondering how you and your crew have been.   So here's to talking real soon and catching up and everything, :0)</p>
<p>Hooty is having her B- day party late fall this year, it is amazing how some of these kids thrive even though handicapped.  I don't think she really knows any thing else since she was born that way.  Take care talk soon.</p>
<p>PS.  collareds,   chucks, clown agama, spinys,,, and the GECKOS all doing well, thanks for asking.<br />
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Eve<br />
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<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by tgreb &mdash; 2015-01-31 18:50:25 GMT</p><p>Miss ya.  Hope things are better for you.  Hopefully you will become active in the lizard community again.</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by rosebuds &mdash; 2015-01-31 06:11:54 GMT</p><p>Hootie looks fabulous! Wow! 13!</p>
<p>I have a house full, as usual. lol!</p>
<p>Sorry to hear of your troubles, Eve, but very glad you are still around. How are the geckos?</p></div>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by JFC31 &mdash; 2014-12-12 00:19:48 GMT</p><p>Hi,,everyone...I have a 2 year old Carrot Tail that I got Innovative Ectotherms. He's really doing well and he's a very fun lizard to have. His name is Kinky as he has a small kink in his tail. Anyway, I have been using externally ballasted UV bulbs that I had been purchasing from Westron Lighting. However, I think they have gone out of business since their Quebec office number is no longer in service and I keep leaving messages at their NY office and no one returns my calls. The bulb I have is 13 months old and I want to get a new one. Any suggestions on what I can replace it with? His basking site is supplemented with a ceramic heater and is 120 degrees directly under to 100 degrees about 10 inches away from center. I also give him a vitamin/mineral supplement with D3 twice per week. Good variety of temps and hide spots available throughout the enclosure. Thanks in advance.<br />
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1.0 Nosy Be panther Chameleon (Frodo)<br />
1.0 Egyptian Uromastyx lizard(Littlefoot)<br />
1.0 Eastern Garter Snake (Sully)<br />
0.1 Great Pyrenees dog (Tequi)</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by JFC31 &mdash; 2014-12-17 18:35:40 GMT</p><p>Thanks!!<br />
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1.0 Carrot Tail Chuckwalla (Kinky)<br />
1.0 Western Hognose snake (Spot)<br />
0.1 Ragdoll cat (Skyler)<br />
0.1 Chow Chow dog (Bella)</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by tgreb &mdash; 2014-12-12 19:27:37 GMT</p><p>I would switch to the new T5 high output flourescent.  They are great from what I hear.  Havent switch but thinking of it.  Zoomed and lightyourreptiles.com have them.  Need special fixture as they need a special ballast and are 2 inches shorter than standard flourwscents.</p></div>
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  <title>update on chuckwalla eggs</title>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by pamnsam94 &mdash; 2014-05-29 19:34:59 GMT</p><p>Well, it's been a week now since my female chuck (Box Canyon, CA locale) laid 9 eggs. None of the eggs have mold on them yet, some of them have firmed up, taking over 4 days to do so,(none of them were plump when laid) and some of them seem firmer but still are slightly dented.</p>
<p>The possible fathers are nice red-backs from the Sentinel Plains AZ area. I would have preferred to breed a pair of chucks from the same locale, but at least a good number of males from the Box Canyon area have a decent amount of orange on their backs so any potential male offspring have a good chance of developing nice coloration.</p>
<p>I also did something not recommended at all. Don't be too harsh with me. <img class="img-fluid" src="https://forums.kingsnake.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" border="0" alt=""> I bought two red-backed males (the Sentinel Plains locale) from a seller that had housed the two males together in an outdoor pen. Both of them had come out of brumation earlier this spring. I had fully intended to house the males separately, but from the day I received them, I put them in the same indoor enclosure with the female.</p>
<p>Both of the males have been getting along just fine. I've seen no sign of aggression between the two though I know that can potentially change any day. They both developed a lot of waxy secretions from their femoral pores, and I couldn't really tell if one of them was dominant based on their behavior. However, after a month or so, I finally witnessed one of them doing pushups but couldn't tell who the behavior was directed towards, the other male or the female. I never witnessed any mating, but maybe I should assume that the male that did the pushups is the father (if the eggs turn out to be fertile that is), even though that is the only time I witnessed him doing pushups, until a few days ago when I put them outside for the first time. Within a minute of putting him outside, he started doing pushups like crazy. <img class="img-fluid" src="https://forums.kingsnake.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" border="0" alt=""></p>
<p>Most people here and on the Chuckwalla and North American Desert Lizard Keepers Facebook pages seem to be saying that if the eggs are bad, they will mold over within a few days. However, I once had a clutch of four-horned chameleon eggs and all but one went bad around three to four months (5 months is full term). I opened every one of those eggs after they went bad, and not only did I not see any sign of embryogenesis, but I didn't seen any sign of vascularization whatsoever. Four-horned chameleon eggs are not known to go through a diapause stage. I assume the eggs were not fertile but somehow avoided getting mold, etc. However, one egg did go full term then when bad. I opened it up after it was obvious it wasn't going to hatch, fully expecting to find the inside the same as the other eggs. To my surprise though, I found a fully formed neonate that apparently was simply too weak to hatch. Fortunately, I've had many other clutches that developed normally.</p>
<p>So, finally, my question is, have any of you experienced a similar situation with chuckwalla eggs, infertile eggs going bad a week, month or even two months before going bad?</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Perry</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by shocknaweleos &mdash; 2014-05-30 21:57:28 GMT</p><p>The opposite can be true, too. I'm an ex-leopard gecko breeder and I've had babies hatch from fuzzy eggs more than once. Fertile eggs should harden up in the first hour.</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by pamnsam94 &mdash; 2014-05-30 01:38:44 GMT</p><p>Thanks for the info Donna. That's what I expected. I wonder why though, in most instances, it seems people report that infertile eggs go bad and mold over within a few days. How can infertile eggs in some instances go so long (months in your situation) without going bad? It seems that mold spores are everywhere, but I expect at least some keepers would say mold spores were not as abundant in those situations. However, I expect there is something chemically different between some infertile eggs versus others. Just a hypothesis. <img class="img-fluid" src="https://forums.kingsnake.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" border="0" alt=""></p>
<p>Yes, I do have another enclosure, and I keep telling myself I need to separate the males. Would you expect one of the males to turn on the other suddenly, as in overnight? Or, do you think I would notice a gradual increase of aggression? In any case, I know it's not worth taking any chance.</p>
<p>The person I bought them from at the end of February, from what I know anyway, is well respected among chuck keepers and kept them together in an outdoor enclosure for some time. However, they were not housed with a female. The suggestion was made however that it might be best if I were to separate them, not only because I would be putting them with my female, but also because they were being put into a new environment.</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by rosebuds &mdash; 2014-05-30 00:32:27 GMT</p><p>I have had infertile eggs last for weeks and one even lasted two months until it finally collapsed and it was obvious that it never progressed.</p>
<p>As for those males, I hope you don't plan to wait until something terrible happens to those males before you separate them. That can't be easy on that lone female either. Do you have another enclosure that you can move one of the males into?</p></div>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by pamnsam94 &mdash; 2014-05-23 20:18:02 GMT</p><p>My female laid 9 eggs yesterday. I've had her for years but this is the first time she has developed eggs. I'm not sure if the eggs are fertile though. These are the first chuckwalla eggs I've seen in person. Although I've seen pics before, it's still amazing to me that their eggs are so huge.</p>
<p>I've hatched many species of reptiles, but wanted to ask specifically about chuck eggs. They seem to be well calcified, but are not very firm. These eggs would definitely not bounce (as some reptile eggs do) at this time would I have accidentally dropped one. I've read that they should firm up within a day or so. I'd love to hear how common it is for eggs not to be firm when they are first laid. Eggs of other species I've kept have been firm from the start.</p>
<p>The female took great effort to bury the eggs. I had an area of the enclosure partitioned off with bricks, rocks and moist sand and she dug and buried the eggs there. I enjoyed watching her cover the nest. She would take a break, then a little while later, she would go back and work on it more.</p>
<p>I've read that some people experience that when certain species of reptiles scatter their eggs randomly on the floor of the enclosure, it will often mean the eggs are infertile. Conversely, I've also read that when the female makes the effort to bury the eggs, it usually means the eggs are good. However, I've never noticed a correlation in the species I've kept. I've had bad eggs be buried and good eggs dropped randomly.</p>
<p>Any insight you might provide, especially concerning the lack of rigidity of the eggs at this point (less than 24 hours after they were laid), would be greatly appreciated. I feel they may not be good but that is based solely on my experiences with other reptile eggs, especially various chameleon species. I hope they'll firm up. With chameleon eggs, I most always use a 1 to 1 ratio of vermiculite to water by weight. However, based on one thing I read about chucks, I used 1 part vermiculite to 3/4 parts RO water. I'm not sure if I should add a little more water, but since I'm seeing slight condensation on the container walls, I figured I should simply give the eggs a little more time.</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by pamnsam94 &mdash; 2014-05-24 06:54:34 GMT</p><p>I saw a pink area/spot on most of the eggs without having to candle them. When you say &quot;spot&quot;, how large is it? Do you have any pics and can you readily see it most of the time in fertile eggs when they are newly laid?</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by MaureenCarpenter &mdash; 2014-05-24 02:52:10 GMT</p><p>Eggs are soft when first deposited but should firm up and expand after a couple of hours.  Chuck eggs often show a little pink spot when first laid.  This means they are fertile.  I have sometimes had fertile eggs hatch and never saw the pink spot.  Last clutch, the female didn't bury the eggs, but did put them in the vermiculite.  On examination of the &quot;birth chamber&quot;, I found a completely buried egg.  All seem to be doing well. I have also had scattered eggs that hatched.  If they are not firm the next day, remove them.  They are not good, will rot, and will contribute to fungus on the remaining eggs.</p></div>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by edenproject &mdash; 2014-05-11 16:36:03 GMT</p><p>One of my chucks escaped from her enclosure and is living under my refrigerator. She comes out but never goes far from the frige, so before I can do anything, she runs back under. Would appreciate any idea on how to capture her.</p>
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<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by MaureenCarpenter &mdash; 2014-05-24 03:03:06 GMT</p><p>Blueberries would get me out of hiding. LOL</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by MaureenCarpenter &mdash; 2014-05-24 03:01:21 GMT</p><p>This is the best kind of feel good news imaginable!</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by dvl &mdash; 2014-05-17 03:11:50 GMT</p><p>glad ya got her under containment!!!!!!!</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by edenproject &mdash; 2014-05-16 22:23:44 GMT</p><p>I did. Took about a week but I finally got her. I've always said if she had her way, she eat nothing but blueberries. I knew they'd be enough to get her out of hiding.</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by edenproject &mdash; 2014-05-16 22:18:07 GMT</p><p>Great idea. I used a shoe box. Taped the top on and cut a hole in the side. Then I made a handle out of the packing tape - a loop that I could easily grab if she was inside.  left a trail of food to the hole and then put more food deeper inside the box.  A few minutes ago, I thought heard something . . . she was 1/2 inside the box, but far enough away from the fridge that I could slide the 'pool noodle' that I was using to block her retreat to the fridge.  (it fits perfectly, btw, if anyone else ever needs to block the fridge).  She didn't hear me until I was right on top of her; she backed out of the box and looked at me. Before she knew it, she was caught.  I am so relieved I cannot tell you.  The escape was totally my fault (I left her enclosure door open) so I was just beating myself up. Now she's cleaned up and back in her very nice house with a big bowl of feed and water and her heat lamp.</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by rosebuds &mdash; 2014-05-15 05:10:45 GMT</p><p>Did the food deprivation work? LOL!</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by dvl &mdash; 2014-05-13 23:02:13 GMT</p><p>Put several new hide outs around a food dish away from the fridge. Cardboard boxes w/ holes / make shift lean too--etc. Give her new options on where to hide and make sure you can nab here while she is happy hiding!</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by edenproject &mdash; 2014-05-12 18:45:57 GMT</p><p>Yes, over the weekend I was hoping to nab her and left some food, but it didn't work (me slow; her fast). Today, I left 1 blueberry for her. I don't want her to starve, but I don't want her to be happy.</p>
<p>Here's my plan: move source of food farther and farther away from fridge. then by Friday, it and she will be far enough away from the fridge that I can block it so she can't get back under. That's really the only place I can't reach her.</p>
<p>She did this once before a few years ago. I got lucky. I found her in the bottom of my iguana's cage eating all the food he had dropped during the week (my ig is a slob). I was able to block the fridge and get her out of the ig cage.  My ig cage has a separate tray below the cage bottom that pulls out - think bird cage - so she wasn't actually in the cage with the iguana, but underneath it.</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by rosebuds &mdash; 2014-05-12 04:20:15 GMT</p><p>Has she eaten since she escaped?</p></div>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by motwol &mdash; 2014-04-11 23:25:57 GMT</p><p>Beautiful day in southern Nevada today, especially for my Chuckwallas and Desert Iguanas! I snapped this photo of interspecies affection...? Maybe just thought he was a rock.<br />
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<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by CindySteinle &mdash; 2014-04-13 13:09:19 GMT</p><p>Nice catch!  I bet he was just going for that higher basking point to get even more sun!</p>
<p>I think spring has finally arrived all over the country</p></div>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by Guzerdad &mdash; 2014-03-11 01:20:07 GMT</p><p>Long time since I posted on this forum (at least 6 Years, though I remember tgreb).  I will be going out to the CA desert and was looking for some advice.  Have some chucks I  collected out there 19 - 24 yrs ago (3 trips on 3 visits with valid fishing license) that are still doing well.  Now I will go with my 11 yr old son.  When we tried 2 years ago we went to some of my old spots off of  Rt 10 near Eagle Mtn Pass and off Rt 62 but didn't see any (though it was only late March so maybe too early).  This time we will be out in mid April and I was thinking about trying a little further north in San Bernadino County.  Any suggestions as to some good spots so my son can find a nice one?   If you are reluctant to post any on the forum you can email me at linn@nki.rfmh.org.  I am a responsible chuck enthusiast and will only collect one (May take a lot of pictures though) and do know how to care for them (see above and also have many other helps for many years).  Thanks for any suggestions and thanks for keeping the forum going.</p></div>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by annacb &mdash; 2014-01-20 06:25:28 GMT</p><p>Hi there,<br />
I've kept snakes and various lizards for years now. Yesterday I ended up with a male S. ater due to some interesting circumstances.</p>
<p>He seems healthy enough, though a little ashy from retained shed bits and with very long nails.</p>
<p>I have no history on him- is it best to assume he is WC, or are CB ones common these days now?  Any chuckwalla specific health concerns I should watch for?</p>
<p>I will be setting him up in his semi-temporary digs tomorrow- a 4' by 2' by 2' storage bin with slate on the floor. I have heard that they need quite bright light to thrive- will his MVB be enough for the enclosure, or would he do better with some fluorescent as well?</p>
<p>Lastly, I've seen conflicting info about two things: temperatures at night, and diet. I keep cyclura, and feed a 100% herbivorous diet to them. Should I do the same with the chuck? Is animal protein helpful or unnecessary? I breed roaches, so I could feed some if it'd help and not screw with his kidneys or something. Also, I read about a lot of folks feeding grasses or tortoise food to up the fiber content of the diet: needed?</p>
<p>Thanks in advance. I know a lot of this is simple stuff, there's just a lot of opinions out there, and though I didn't expect to end up with this guy, I want to do the best I can by him.</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by annacb &mdash; 2014-02-03 02:48:06 GMT</p><p>Hi,</p>
<p>Yes, he has surprisingly large femoral pores for his size. <br />
Unless females of the species can have decently sized ones too, that's the strongest indication of gender that I saw after being told he was a boy.<br />
Some slight bulging at the tail base, too. Pretty macho.</p>
<p>Do specifically Nevadan chucks come up for sale much?</p>
<p>You're right about NW Oregon- I'd be surprised if we got 50-55 days that would be appropriate for most of my reptiles to be out in for more than an hour or two, so I'm long since resigned to spending tons on their UV needs <img class="img-fluid" src="https://forums.kingsnake.com/images/smiles/wink.gif" border="0" alt=""></p>
<p>Thanks for the input on the flowers. I've found a few places to order fresh edible blooms until the growing season hits here, just figured I'd ask before trying anything unfamiliar to me.</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by MaureenCarpenter &mdash; 2014-02-03 02:19:35 GMT</p><p>I agree with Donna (Rosebuds) that your Chuck looks like he could have come from Nevada.  Just curious about his femerole pores.  Are they big?<br />
I would think that NW Oregon will probably yield very few basking days outdoors, so UVB's a must!<br />
I am pretty sure that the flowers humans can eat would all be safe for a Chuckwalla. Never Oleander, and I have heard that Lantana is not good, though mine have occasionally nibbled on it.  NOT their favorite.</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by AnnaCB &mdash; 2014-01-26 22:19:17 GMT</p><p>.</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by annacb &mdash; 2014-01-26 20:28:02 GMT</p><p>Yup, just with the camera.<br />
That said, I've heard enough about their need for lots of light that I think I'll throw a tube in there as well. Better safe than sorry.</p>
<p>Thank you for the ID! He does have a sweet face <img class="img-fluid" src="https://forums.kingsnake.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" border="0" alt=""></p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by Rosebuds &mdash; 2014-01-26 14:57:02 GMT</p><p>Hi Anna,<br />
You said in your post that your MVB was not allowing color to show. Did you mean just with the camera? What brand of mvb are you using? I ask because I just bought a few cases of megarays and while I trust that they are producing the uvb that my lizards need, I do notice that they do not produce the heat or light quality that they used to. Chucks need very bright light to really thrive, so I am having to use additional bulbs to bring up both heat and light quality in my enclosures.</p>
<p>He looks like a Nevada chuck to me. Very sweet face! <img class="img-fluid" src="https://forums.kingsnake.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" border="0" alt=""></p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by annacb &mdash; 2014-01-25 21:35:49 GMT</p><p>Thanks for the help!</p>
<p>We live in NW Oregon, so he'll only be able to be outside from mid-July through August. The rest of the time it is way too chilly and humid.</p>
<p>Thanks for the heads up on the hibiscus urine color thing, that would have freaked me out, and hibiscus (along with dandelion) are the two flowers it have easiest access to.<br />
Are they able to eat any edible flowers that humans use, or are some unsafe? I am assuming that there are some that are not the best for them, and I do think I'll order some online until the weather allows for growing.</p>
<p>I have been just turning off his lights and letting him hit standard reptile room temps at night, which are generally about 70. He seems to wake up perky and makes it to his basking spot fine, so hopefully that is appropriate- what do nighttime temps range where you are?</p>
<p>Anyway, here he is. The MVB made colors impossible to capture, but it seems like the pattern is more important. He is quite black. The lighter areas are a nice buttercup yellow, with the tail being mostly a duller yellow. He has a couple of spikes around his tympanic membrane but nowhere else.<br />
I have no idea what his age is or if he was cared for appropriately to allow growth, but he's approximately 6-6.5 inches SVL.</p>
<p>Thanks again! He is a pleasure, very calm with beautiful brown eyes.<br />
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<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by MaureenCarpenter &mdash; 2014-01-25 19:38:16 GMT</p><p>Hi Anna.  I have kept Chuckwallas for more than 50 years and have learned a lot!  My Chucks usually live to be close to 20 years old.  If you post a pic we might guess at his origin local, but whether he is cb or wc would be difficult to guess.</p>
<p>Chucks resort to eating bugs in a drought year in the desert, but are subject to kidney problems with animal protein.  Best is herbivourus diet and as much flowers as possible and as much variation as possible with calcium and vitamin D supplements.  I am able to put mine out in the backyard much of the year, so I don't worry about the lighting too much and just use regular 100 watt lights, but you will want to have the megarays on him for calcium absorption so he doesn't get mbd.</p>
<p>I plant as much of the good flowers as possible in my yard.  Dandelions (favorite), nasturtiums, sweet alysum, hibiscus (turns their urine pink fyi), bower vine, cape (red) honeysuckle, green beans (cooked and well drained), escarole, arugula, raddichio, and other things.  Variety is the key, I think. They get really spoiled on Dandelions!</p>
<p>They thrive between 85 and 100 degree heat with a hot end and a cool end.  Love to bask!!  Chucks are fantastic intelligent lizards and each has its own personality.  With handling, they usually become very tame!  Enjoy your new boy!!  Post a picture and tell us what sort of climate you have where you live.  Maureen</p></div>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by Rosebuds &mdash; 2013-12-24 03:38:25 GMT</p><p>From Maureen!</p>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by variuss11 &mdash; 2013-11-27 03:07:16 GMT</p><p>i wanna be happy to see some more poeple on fb we have a chuckwalla Group im looking Forward to see you too</p>
<p>Hannes<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/555917997826565/">http://www.chuckwalla-reptiles-tirol.at/</a></p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by tamarasaurus &mdash; 2013-12-05 19:53:05 GMT</p><p>Thanks for letting us know about this!  I requested to join the group.  Looks like a lot of great photos and information on there.</p>
<p>Tamara</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by tgreb &mdash; 2013-11-30 23:11:58 GMT</p><p>REACTIVATE IT!  LOL.</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by rosebuds &mdash; 2013-11-30 00:22:55 GMT</p><p>I deactivated my fb account and do not want to reactivate it. Any way to get around having to have a profile on fb to join? lol</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by tgreb &mdash; 2013-11-27 18:20:50 GMT</p><p>Bunch of great very knowledgeable people in the group.</p></div>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by rosebuds &mdash; 2013-10-27 15:00:43 GMT</p><p>Have a safe and happy Halloween!</p>
<p>From Maureen and Donna</p>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by motwol &mdash; 2013-10-18 17:46:41 GMT</p><p>I have kept S. Ater since 2001 in my outdoor enclosure here in Nevada with breeding success for several generations. I decided to change course in 2009 when I purchased a Calico Hispidus x Various hybrid. I was so impressed with his disposition and “personality”… (Aters were always skittish, even the ones that were raised from hatchlings in the enclosure) so I decided to get a female Calico and focus on them. Long story short, I lost the female sometime during the first winter (very sad and unfortunate and I’m still not sure why). So I changed course again and thought I would try some Aters with my male Calico just to keep him company and keep the enclosure interesting. I found out quickly that even though they were different species, a male Ater with a male Calico even in a large enclosure (8’x30’) doesn’t work at all! So I collected some hatchlings, weeded out the males and had two compatible females to share the enclosure with Big Chuck. Everything was great until this September when I noticed that he had taken an aggressive interest in the females (chasing & biting) Keep in mind that they were one quarter his size. So after a little research I decided to remove the females for fear that come spring this aggressive behavior would be worse and possibly tragic. Not to mention that if they did survive another year and he was successful at mating…I thought egg binding would likely happen due to the egg size difference between the species. So now, I am hoping to find a female or two, either Calico or Hispidus, to share the enclosure with Big Chuck. Finally, my question, has anyone successfully kept an adult male Calico or Hispidus with juvenile females from hatchling to adult? Is this advisable? I ask this because adult females are apparently difficult to come by, so I will likely need to start with hatchlings. I don’t think I have the time, space or resources to build another enclosure (indoor or out) or modify my existing one to create two separate living areas.  Any thoughts would be appreciated.</p></div>
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  <dc:creator>motwol</dc:creator>
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  <title>A male Calico &amp; j female Ater</title>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by motwol &mdash; 2013-10-17 03:55:46 GMT</p><p>Cute pic from late last spring of my male Calico and a juvenile female NV S. Ater. <br />
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  <dc:date>2013-10-17T03:55:46+00:00</dc:date>
  <dc:creator>motwol</dc:creator>
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  <title>Sauromalus hispidus picture</title>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by khamers &mdash; 2013-10-08 09:40:21 GMT</p><p>A pic of my big chuck male with a baby....</p>
<p>gr. Kamiel<br />
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<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by Paleo &mdash; 2013-10-13 13:41:24 GMT</p><p>Nice!</p></div>
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  <dc:date>2013-10-13T13:41:24+00:00</dc:date>
  <dc:creator>khamers</dc:creator>
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