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Butter milk racers

ymicdan — 2013-08-20T15:11:01+00:00

Original post by ymicdan — 2013-08-20 15:11:01 GMT

Hi all, i'm looking for any other buttermilk keepers out there.

I'd also like to increase my collection so if anyone has any for sale or would like to legally obtain me some then please let me know

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how do coatchwhips kill big prey?

poison1981 — 2013-07-29T23:35:29+00:00

Original post by poison1981 — 2013-07-29 23:35:29 GMT

like rats?

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What happens when these 2 species meet

poison1981 — 2013-08-11T22:16:54+00:00

Original post by poison1981 — 2013-07-28 22:10:05 GMT

In the wild if they are the same size? Someone had two of them together and they were fine. I was shocked I thought they would have eaten the other. Or maybe coach whips are not really snake eaters and only racers are? Racers often fail at it because of their tiny girth they end up being eaten by indigo and kings.

Both of these are so fast remind me of mambas you hardly see them. The coach whip is a beautiful pink sometimes. I never understood how coach whip kills its prey? Like larger prey?

Reply by poison1981 — 2013-08-11 22:16:54 GMT

I guess when racers and coachwhips meet they ignore each other?

THey both get eaten so easy by indigo and king snakes

Reply by jodscovry — 2013-08-11 21:36:38 GMT

They were blessed with speed, long jaws (big help) and long teeth (which paralyze)and the ability to hold down or pin with their bodies, which is sufficient for a snake without venom or the ability to constrict. I seen a 80" coachwhip grab a jumper rat so hard that I heard it's ribs crack and it eyes popped out of sockets.

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Platyceps florulentusor

johng55597 — 2013-07-25T09:06:10+00:00

Original post by johng55597 — 2013-07-20 20:25:56 GMT

I have a trio of Platyceps florulentusor Egyptian Flower Coach Whips and I'm hoping to bred them next year. I was wondering if they will require broomating or a cooling down period. If they do how long and what temps.

Reply by johng55597 — 2013-07-25 09:06:10 GMT

Thank's for that it was the temp's that I was unsure of.

Reply by DruckerB — 2013-07-25 07:36:06 GMT

North African herps DO have a winter rest. You can manage it as for American coachwhips: 2-2,5 months at 50-59 °F would do the trick. Best of luck!

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Local juv N black racer

DeanAlessandrini — 2013-06-21T18:33:45+00:00

Original post by DeanAlessandrini — 2013-06-21 18:33:45 GMT

my 6 year old daughter caught a juv N back racer in
my yard under one pf my cover boards last weekend...
(and yes that little girl is awesome to be catching snales on her own at 6 but her 2 yr old sister has her beat...she does ot as well!)

anyhoo... my 6 yr old wanted to keep it for a while at least and ive never attempted to keep a juv racer.

i just wanted to report success!
i started "cupping" the snake with a live (unscented) pinky
and it ate the first attempt. last night i cupped it with a live pinky and a f/t pinky head and it ate both! i think it will be eating FT very soon and my daughter will have herself a pet racer!

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... some like it hot ...

regalringneck — 2013-03-22T05:47:59+00:00

Original post by regalringneck — 2013-03-16 15:29:46 GMT

... Bone cook'n her mouseling 4 breakfast ... :}

Reply by lateralis — 2013-03-22 05:47:59 GMT

It's all about speed my freng...n now The Lateralis Institute must continue with the research at hand...C.m.macularius y salud
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Reply by regalringneck — 2013-03-20 21:26:12 GMT

... yoe, bout time ewe found ewersef a real foro : }

... so mebbe u can splain for all of us (3)... how these gentle wee speedsters can coexist w/ various nastycophis in the s-western deserts???

This one was out sunning itself this am :}

Reply by lateralis — 2013-03-20 18:52:57 GMT

Maybe it likes sushi too?
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... well its feel'n like spring ...

regalringneck — 2013-12-13T17:03:09+00:00

Original post by regalringneck — 2013-03-06 16:10:14 GMT

... and i thought while my "maint. monkey" was busy, id ck in and see is anyone else survived brumation ...

Reply by GerardS — 2013-12-13 17:03:09 GMT

Nice!
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Reply by regalringneck — 2013-03-13 03:21:19 GMT

..yeah theyre fine, and thats intrsting way up there, yours fed till dec, and my lil lady shut down in early Nov. ... ?
...& good on you for tracking up the slopes, here we hav2 drive 3 hrs to sno-ski... so i rarely go, but it is fun, i like h20-sking too
2 a153fish, wow now thats a fingerful, welcome back 2-u & u'r lil colubers; they will go for crickets whereas the coachwhips apparently wont.
and of course ive gotta leave you w/a splash of color ...

Reply by a153fish — 2013-03-12 15:05:14 GMT

>>... welcome to the new coach-year to you too, yours is look'n a tad thin, depending where you live, if not too far north, id be thinkin to start heatn & feeding & they'll probably be in breeding condition in a month or 2. i'll type@youl8tr, as we're apparently the last 2 on this forum :{
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I still check in from time to time. I don't have any exciting news to share. I have to wait one more year to get anymore babies, since I don't have an old enough male.

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Reply by ALT — 2013-03-11 15:13:58 GMT

Yeah they're thinner than I like, but I'm not too worried. Last good feed was late-December, and I'm expecting them to "switch on" any time now, as the days are getting longer. I didn't cycle them and don't plan on breeding any time soon (but they live together so maybe they'll have other plans). They have access to a 100F basking spot, but haven't been using it the last few months.

Upstate NY, here. Found a Plethodon cinereus yesterday, but not quite ready to give up on skiing season.

Reply by regalringneck — 2013-03-09 19:24:16 GMT

... welcome to the new coach-year to you too, yours is look'n a tad thin, depending where you live, if not too far north, id be thinkin to start heatn & feeding & they'll probably be in breeding condition in a month or 2. i'll type@youl8tr, as we're apparently the last 2 on this forum :{

Reply by ALT — 2013-03-08 17:31:13 GMT

Nice little one! Someone needs to tell mine it's getting to be spring. They haven't eaten in a couple months, and I hate having to clean mouse cages. Hoping this is the year they decide non-moving food is ok to eat....

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Racers of Europe

schaich — 2013-03-12T15:21:24+00:00

Original post by schaich — 2012-11-13 20:27:56 GMT

Hello America

Not only in America but also in Europe there are some breeders of racers.

Here my favourite species: Malpolon monspessulanus.

At the moment I've got hatchlings of Malpolon insignitus and monspessulanus.

I'm very interested in the old Europeen Coluber group and of course in North-american racers and coachwhips.

Unfortunately my friend's homepage about Malpolon - Malpolon.com - is in German but we're thinking about an English version.

Kind regards from Switzerland to all "lovers" of fast snakes.

Christian
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Reply by a153fish — 2013-03-12 15:21:24 GMT

Interesting enclosure,tell us more about it. What do you keep in there, and what is it made from? Screen, or glass?
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
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Reply by regalringneck — 2012-12-06 11:51:49 GMT

... haha yes its a racer; thats why this is called the racer forum!
Interesting that your european coachwhip likes things hot too. Next year when you warm them up, lets see some pix of them eating, maybe crawling on grass or climbing a small tree in natural sunlight?
take care & happy holidays / john

Reply by schaich — 2012-12-01 17:22:52 GMT

Hello

Nice pic; kick out the lazy cat und toss away the rusty mousetrap - is it a racer??

Malpolon are great and they like extremely hot temperatures - lying on a slab with 110F is no problem for them, even for hours. Any other snake would crawl away.

They are very intelligient, curious and show different behaviours you wouldn't believe a snake is capable to do.

Here it's now wintertime, too. All the snkaes are in the cellar now. Sad time.

Regards, Christian

Reply by regalringneck — 2012-11-28 19:53:19 GMT

... wow, what a beaut, very coachwhip like, tell me, do they pin their prey w/ a body loop as ours do?
Im guessing they dont operate at higher temps as the new world snakes do (30-38* C)
Thnx for stopping in, its a slow forum, especially in the winter.

Cheers, rxr

Reply by schaich — 2012-11-22 14:34:50 GMT

Are there any breeders or are they available in the US?

Reply by ALT — 2012-11-16 00:39:16 GMT

Welcome! I love Malpolon! Wish they were easier to find in the states

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Growing up

ALT — 2012-11-16T00:45:22+00:00

Original post by ALT — 2012-11-10 22:30:28 GMT

We did some outreach with my herp club this afternoon. They were superstars. However, I was pushing my luck trying to get some decent photos of them afterwards! Kids are fine...camera flashes? Not so much

Reply by ALT — 2012-11-16 00:45:22 GMT

Fantastic! Love old Toyotas. Mine's turning 10 soon...not terribly old, but probably in rougher shape due to the awful salted roads of the Northeastern winters.

Reply by regalringneck — 2012-11-12 12:42:09 GMT

...so if we can't (grow up) ...how do we get jump't into this "club"
... slightly more seriously; nice shots of u'r critters & good on you for doing it; too often the parents wont, but id feel better if you used indigo's, but the worst are rosyboas cuz they try to eat the kids!
i remember fondly, bailing out of my yoter to grab up a gorgeous mexican red coachwhip one morning in sonora, our daughter was ~ 5 in the front seat watching & when i returned elated & bloodied, i think i cured her then & there of any real interest in legless beasts ... oops!
so my blue colubers & little florida "bone" have all ceased taking food, despite heated spots/lights ... im ready to take a break from them for the cool season
in case you wanted to see my ole buddy herehetiz insitu

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how are the baby blue racers doing?

53kw — 2012-09-07T20:38:11+00:00

Original post by 53kw — 2012-09-07 20:38:11 GMT

I've had several kinds of racer hatchlings to raise over the years including blues. Probably why I don't have any patience left. Most refused convenient food although some did eat their siblings. I had good luck with baby garter snakes, medium luck with very small wood frogs and toads, and so-so luck with brown anoles before they decided mice were the tastiest food. Once that corner was turned, they were insatiable during their rapid growth period between roughly one and two years of age.

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Blue babies

a153fish — 2017-06-29T16:18:10+00:00

Original post by a153fish — 2012-08-19 01:02:30 GMT

11 Babies from a WC gravid female.

Here is the Mom.

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
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Reply by herpmom55304 — 2017-06-29 16:18:10 GMT

It has been five years since this string was started, but it seems like a good place for me to start. I am looking for blue racers to use in programs. Anyone know someone breeding/selling them?

Thank you!!!

Reply by regalringneck — 2012-08-25 18:09:37 GMT

yes they are but i think its 2 l8te for anudda clutch this year ( the 1st one i didnt find in time before they dried out :{
ill try n call you here in a minute / l8tr /

... anudda DoR headed into the recycler ...

Reply by a153fish — 2012-08-22 13:05:15 GMT

Are those a sexed pair John? They look nice!
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

Reply by regalringneck — 2012-08-22 13:00:54 GMT

... yowser 1st c/b foxi ive ever seen, here or elsewhere ... and here ive just settled in a beautiful pair of w/c missouri blues ... hhmmm ... a most sweet dilemma : }

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Easties

ALT — 2012-08-09T21:43:09+00:00

Original post by ALT — 2012-08-03 16:17:37 GMT

I've been a slacker with regards to forum involvement for far too long. Time to share a few (crappy phone camera) pictures and update on my pair of FL Easties. They just turned 2 this summer, are pushing 5', and continue to be a lot of fun. I just started working them into outreach programs too, and they've exceeded my expectations with regards to temperament. Tame coachwhips as education animals...who would have thought? We didn't start out that way, of course. It's taken 2 years of working with them on their terms to get them to this point and we still have a ways to go.

They currently live together in a large "Reptarium" enclosure. These things are great because they allow for maximum ventilation and the added bonus of moving outside on nice days. I moved from aspen chips to paper as a substrate once they outgrew their baby tanks, and have the entire bottom of the cage piled with several layers of bark flats for them to cruise between.

Here's a rare shot of one taking down its dinner. Usually they grab and hide with it. This is an older photo, and they're both eating large adult mice now. It's so cool how they kill by thoracic compression using their mouth. They follow the mouse and plan their strike before executing, grabbing the mouse right behind the forelegs and hang on until the struggle stops. Sometimes the poor dinner gets bashed against the wall or floor a few times, but I've never seen them use a body coil to help subdue prey. They'll take live mice off tongs from me, but still give me the stink-eye if I try dangling a thawed mouse in front of them.

Lastly, here's me with one of my little buddies.

Reply by regalringneck — 2012-08-09 21:43:09 GMT

yikes, i cant imagine elapid coachwhips w/ any minimal attitude ... uugghh ... & be careful we often dont quite know whats in the bush or the bag ala poor Joe Slowinski eh :{
& so it looks like we might have flushed another afficionado outta the weeds ... :}

so ill leave the 3 of us w/a freekn classic; whish't ida been there to see it or hear what finally happened / rxr

Reply by ALT — 2012-08-09 15:06:43 GMT

You were right on with Aussie. He's a brown(Pseudonaja aspidoryncha). Imagine coachwhips with stupidly toxic venom but less smarts, and you have brownies. Fun animals.

Reply by jodscovry — 2012-08-09 12:22:21 GMT

Nice looking specimen amanda, I like the snake too. JB

Reply by regalringneck — 2012-08-08 23:25:02 GMT

... toads eh, cool, & yeah we have a plethora of them, tho ive never been all that enamored w/ most amphibs., but worked a fair amount w/ desert leopard frogs in my govt. work :}
... heres anudda pearl from that position ... & no im stumped but guessing an old world whipsnake ... australian even?

Reply by ALT — 2012-08-08 17:42:44 GMT

Love the Sonoran. Spent a summer working on toads there almost 10 years ago. Don't get back often enough.

I got the coaches in 2010 as a consolation species after falling in love with these

Any idea what he is?

Reply by regalringneck — 2012-08-06 02:56:25 GMT

... well if i hafta keep this deadasst forum alive ... i couldnt imagine finding a better partner : }
...and i see you too ... have an eye for the magnificent ... good on you ... ive seen many sonoran sunrises & sunsets ... this one was special ... lucky me.
... so my female eastern yellow is watching me as i type this ...
life is good when we share it w/ our sighthunters ....

Reply by ALT — 2012-08-05 17:07:19 GMT

Thanks for the welcome. I'm hardly new, just rarely post....and when I do usually it's over in the Pituophis forum. Then every so often go on a forum binge and feel guilty for not being more active. Anyhoo, nice Sonoran scene!

Reply by regalringneck — 2012-08-04 22:04:36 GMT

... now that is a sweet post & i spec you'll be getting plenty of marriage proposals 2boot :} so welcome to this morose forum, but the archives are well worth a gander.
new by me; im still having to forcefeed my 2011 florida c/b ... what a very frustrating beast, tho i think if i had effing live lizards, my problem would be over, funny how crickets never triggered it, just small live iguanids, & never f/t pinkies, once it ate a chicken strip & a f/t nightsnake w/o forcedfeeding ... aaarrgghh : } ps i still keep em away from my eyes

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Western Yellow Belly Racer

Nim — 2012-06-30T23:54:55+00:00

Original post by Nim — 2012-06-30 23:54:55 GMT

Recently my step father caught, what I'm guessing is, a western yellow-bellied racer. He sprays pest control, and rescued it from a customer's garage. So he brought it home for me to care for.

I'm new to the world of reptiles, and have been directed to this site by a friend that owns a few and is helping me out. She helped me confirm its species, and is helping me with care tips and such.

I've been doing a bit of research for a couple of days and have come across multiple conflicting descriptions about their natural habitat(specifically for the western yellow belly racer). Most say dry and hot, and a few have said humid and hot, some have even said slightly aquatic. Personally I'd love to create a terrarium with a small "pond" for feeder fish. But from what I've gathered most snakes need to live in a mostly dry and temperature controlled environment.

The snake is ~15" long, and brown/grey in color with black~ish spots and a off white yellow~ish underbelly with green~ish transition stripes.

I have a small 10 gal aquarium tank, with a generic heat lamp, and some hide spots. I haven't put down any type of substrate yet, but I've read that racers like to burrow/hide.

Since this is a wild(ish) caught reptile, my friend told me to get some MiteOff and use that for ~2 weeks. Cleaning the tank daily, before I put down a substrate. I still have some reading to do on non-toxic ways to clean the snake tank(I may be over thinking that bit, but not sure).

After doing some reading in this forum, I'll have to find out and learn how to "tease feed", and get some long forceps. My friend told me that frozen food is going to be healthier than live, due to parasites. But due to the temperament of racers, I'm assuming that I'll need to at least start out with live food(while learning and trying out tease feeding).

I'll post more later, after the trip to PetCo, once I get off work.

Any help/corrections would be helpful and much appreciated.

Thanks...

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Eggs!

mturner01 — 2012-05-02T22:47:03+00:00

Original post by mturner01 — 2012-05-02 22:47:03 GMT

A very exciting day! I got a fresh beautiful clutch from my pink Western pair!
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those complex coachwhips

53kw — 2012-04-05T22:42:40+00:00

Original post by 53kw — 2012-04-04 19:36:54 GMT

Matt is right, coachwhips are no boas. Any of the ambush hunters like boas will have a very different view of life from a hunter/chaser like a coachwhip. Tight spaces are claustrophobic for them, and they like obstacles that they can get behind but still see past, like piles of branches. Hot basking spots are a must but so is vigorous ventilation to pull the heated air out of the cage and avoid overheating the whole cage.

I have home made cages five or six feet long, with full-spectrum lighting including UV fluorescent bulbs at the warm end where the snakes spend time under the heat bulbs. A fan at the basking end pulls hot air out as cooler air flows in to replace it from a vent in the far end of the cage.

Some of my coachwhips eat live, some eat dead food placed on the floor of their cage, a few eat dead food wiggled on forceps. Some times of the year, my coachwhips eat almost nothing, which drives me crazy. During the warmest months they eat several times a week. The largest ones occasionally take small defrosted rats off forceps but for the most part, racers and coachwhips prefer meals about the size of their own head.

One of my baby coachwhips still eats anoles but the rest eat live or dead baby mice. The most regular feeder is almost three times the size of her brother from the same clutch. She always eats food delivered to the edge of her hiding bark. The rest eat out in the open.

Coachwhips and racers raised in captivity have no fear of me and either just watch when I put my hands into their cages for cleaning, or move toward me to chase me out of their territory.

I love racers and coachwhips for their spirit but they are a lot of work.

Reply by 53kw — 2012-04-05 22:42:40 GMT

I'm pretty sure my racers and coachwhips are capable of facial recognition. They look at anyone in the room but I'm the only one they respond to. I'm the only one who feeds them. One of these days I'll run some experiments to collect real data to support or debunk my impressions.

Reply by mturner01 — 2012-04-04 23:55:32 GMT

I've been working with reptiles for just over 17 years now and I've had the great blessings of success with a wide variety of species. I can say that my last three years with racers and coachwhips have been some of my most rewarding.

As for caging, I use the old 6' slant-fronted neodesha cages. The tops are almost all screen and several screen vents are on each side. You are spot-on about air flow. My herp room has several ceiling fans and several oscillating floor fans around the room. You can actually feel a light breeze standing anywhere in my room. I have found this greatly benefits all my snakes, but I would say that space and airflow are essential to keeping sight hunters.

I use 5 gallon "rough tote" Rubbermaid boxes filled with moist sphagnum and placed on the cool side. I cut a 3" doorknob hole in one end and twist in a 2' section of corrogated drain pipe to mimic a burrow.

For heat, I use a 30-45 watt spot light to get a 95-ish basking spot. Heat is also essential and I regularly temp gun 100-105 on their body surface! Thanks to the big cage and ventilation, the humid box stays about 75 degrees.

Speaking to your comments about their intelligence: My very long-term female pink and I have a game we play on feeding day. When her meal is thawed, I let her see me approach her cage, which gets her very excited. I open the glass and can literally toss the mice or rats and she will catch them in mid-air. What else is interesting is that she only does this with me. When my wife or brother-in-law feeds her, she does not come out to greed them and would never take the food so eagerly, even when the exact same presentation of food is given. That's creepy smart for a snake. I'm in her small circle of trust, I guess.
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up periscope

53kw — 2012-05-02T04:26:04+00:00

Original post by 53kw — 2012-04-01 21:38:31 GMT

Those whipsnakes like to periscope and look around. When I lived in Arizona I occassionally saw one watching the world from a rock pile or some prickly plant. This is my captive Sonoran whipsnake checking things out from behind some bark in her cage. Really amazing animals.

Reply by emysbreeder — 2012-05-02 04:26:04 GMT

I gotta hand it to you guy's for keeping Coachwhips. I had one from Florida wild cought on a little Island in the St.Johns River in Jacksonville where we cought HUGE EDB's. It was 108",old as dirt and would break out of snakebags by just ripping its way out!I just gave it the whole snakeroom. We took it back after I freeked out some friends that I told it was a Cobra. I cought a big pink in Arazona on a collecting trip once WOL! what a cool snake. I'm back in the Fl.swamp now so I dont see them anymore.....but I did catch this the other day but it didnt even bite! You guy's rule the KS forum. Their very UNDER RATED,as are you keepers. Vic (old time snake hunter turned to something I can keep up with.)

Reply by mturner01 — 2012-04-03 13:29:17 GMT

Any nice, pure Everglades Rats? I'd love to have a pair of those guys. My pinks eating better than ever, so I'm really hopeful for them. I've been acclimating the female for three years and the male for two. They have never met each other, so I'm crossing my fingers.
My Coachwhip experience has been interesting. I've acclimated many wc boas and pythons, rats and kings, but the Coachwhips have been a little tougher. Feeding was never an issue, and they both have taken live and thawed rodents (mice, rats, rabbit fuzzies), and love to get bobwhite quail and chickens, and the occasional random cb baby snake or lizard that died for unknown reasons (waste not, want not). But their nerves have only settled in the past year to the point they will eat in front of me or even directly from my hand. They hated newspaper and a small, dark cage that most other serpents would desire for acclimating. They truly have done best, even as wild caught adults, in individual 6 foot slant front Neodeshas with a hot basking spot and lots of branches, logs, and other complexities.
I just realized I was rambling to perhaps no one that reads here anymore. I'd love to chat about these amazing animals and compare notes with others, so if anyone wants to discuss, I would love to get some conversations going!
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Reply by 53kw — 2012-04-03 13:07:19 GMT

I bred a lot last year so not much at all this year. Maybe a few ratsnakes but most of the rest of my critters are having a year off.

Reply by mturner01 — 2012-04-02 00:23:20 GMT

Nice picture! And thanks for your reply below. What are you breeding this year?
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Anyone captive breeding this year?

mturner01 — 2012-08-19T00:58:43+00:00

Original post by mturner01 — 2012-03-31 20:17:22 GMT

This place has been pretty dead, but what's everyone going for this year? I'm trying my red testaceus and I'm very excited. Brumation seems to have went well at an average temp of 56 (dispite the too-warm winter). They are up and feeding on a variety of small, frequent meals. Male just started shed, female is still bulking. Hope everyone's having fun!
Matt Turner

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Reply by a153fish — 2012-08-19 00:58:43 GMT

Did you ever get them to breed?
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What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

Reply by 53kw — 2012-04-01 21:25:47 GMT

What fabulous pink coachwhips. Nice to see someone working with good quality testaceus. I won't be breeding any this year myself, as I'm still establishing the ones I bred two years ago. Baby coachwhips can be challenging. I look forward to updates on your breeding success.

Reply by mturner01 — 2012-03-31 20:19:29 GMT

Her hopeful mate.

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Eastern Yellow Bellies?

Fabrizio13 — 2012-02-26T20:18:13+00:00

Original post by Fabrizio13 — 2012-02-26 20:18:13 GMT

Anyone here working with eastern yellow bellied racers? I was thinking about trying my hand at them this coming spring (got to catch them first, that's always fun.) Anybody can note on intelligence on the Coluber constrictor ssp.? And anything on the temperament CB individuals of this genus and how much do WC usually calm down in captivity, if even? Any help is appreciated.
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Jason

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Looking for Red Tropical Racer tips

gigantor — 2012-01-29T12:39:40+00:00

Original post by gigantor — 2012-01-29 12:39:40 GMT

I picked up a large red female Chironius scurrulus, I sure she is a recent import, so I will keep a close eye on her.
She looks to be in good shape, and is very aggressive.

Im letting her settle down in her new cage, with a hide box,large water basin and a good bright basking spot, nothing different then any of my other cages. I will try to feed her in a week or so. I was told she eats frogs.

Can anyone offer any tips or advice on keeping this species of snake? thanks Bob

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... howdies and hep ...

regalringneck — 2012-08-01T12:15:39+00:00

Original post by regalringneck — 2011-11-08 13:09:03 GMT

... theres been some very good posts the last few years; bully on you 4 taking the time to pull it together, this is a very cool sub-forum, mainly cuz these are such cool beasts : }
... unfortunately ... i have a bad habit of letting my snakes crawl about ... then get busy w/ a phone call or whatever & poof i space out the mussuranas out! Usually i recover them & the wife mutters never will i allow him hots ...
So ive managed to finally lose my precious buddy; the blue coluber :{ maybe in the spring he'll come back out who knows; he was smart enough to use the deadbolt, he even ate his chicken strips out of a bowl :} gonna miss him dangit.

... so if hes gone ... mebbe its time to quit mourning & take on a florida bone & black c/b :} :} ... any out there need'n a good (if brief) home?
...a referral to a true foxii blue c/b from the great lakes area would be super cool too ...

Reply by regalringneck — 2012-08-01 12:15:39 GMT

... & look ma ... no hands ...

Reply by regalringneck — 2012-06-25 16:01:18 GMT

... an hoping 4 me 2 take a nap ... :}

Reply by regalringneck — 2012-01-27 17:27:14 GMT

... well this is pretty interesting ... and amazing ...

Back to ~ 9-2011; coluber went awol :{

It happened one am during "free time" outside its terrarium; it learned to come up & out in the early am’s and surf the net w/ me! … stupid me… spaced him out and went on w/ my day ... fall came and went; no fleeting glimpses, scats or sign anywhere, the clelia even got loose for several nights … & when finally captured .. was monitored for its scat … nothing. i assumed it had gotten behind the hall cupboards and up thru a crack on into the attic and then via fresh air to the outside… I hoped he could make it on birds eggs, lizards, & insects … maybe he was jerky under the dryer? i considered replacing him w/ a w/c adult fl black … but figured they’d be too tough 2 tame down … finally acquired his replacement; the neonate bonecoach … i was still bummed if not fully depressed.

1.23.12; ~ 15 weeks later. im going into the hall bathroom, & I stop short; a head & a foot of body are extended from below the
Cupboards … i gently grab him and for 30 min work him gently out of the crawl space under the cabinets. He appears a bit thin, but very beautiful, no doubt theres a shed under there!
Placed him in his enclosure w/ heat & water; his drinking was phenomenal; off the glass & finally in the h20 dish repeatedly immersing its entire head for up to 5 min steadily pumping h20 & then periscoping it backwards w/ visible peristaltic waves. This went on for over an hour, before it finally laid as if in a stupor. I have seen desiccated snakes drink before, but cannot recall ever seeing this much ingestion effort over time. The am of the 24th it was basking and observed yet again drinking deeply but this time for the typical ophidian 15-30 sec. prior to returning to basking. It finally took refuge from basking ~ 16 hrs post the major hydration. i had thought about taking a pre weight but decided against it; to expedite his recovery, my estimate is the coluber is currently at ~ 1 m & ~ 85g @ normal hydration, i don’t doubt it took on as much as 25-30 gm of h20; additionally its h20 bowl is visibly depleted! Intrsting too is that the snake appears quite docile as it was 15 weeks ago … memory ?
… its very very nice to have him back … I hope the lesson was learned … for awhile anyway!

.. so here he is pre-hydration ...

Reply by regalringneck — 2011-12-31 12:41:03 GMT

... well what a tremendous amount of hep ... not :{ ... mebbe the hordes of sighthunters here all went subterreanean w/ their critters in october ... oh well, i may have to travel to michigan & catch a pair myself

.. so Joe from Fl has some nice neo's see the classifieds, tough time of the year to try n work w/ em tho., i gave up and put mine on the deep chill till march, remember tho, ya need to wake em up (warm them) monthly and make sure theyre hydrated; this young un doesnt seem to recognize water in a shallow dish but seeks spray drops readily, even off its own body like some vipers are reported to do ... lets c if i can remember how to lode n post a .jpg ... hhhhmmm ... be safe & have a gr8t new year

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