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A  venomoid is a venomous snake that has undergone a surgical procedure to remove or inhibit the production of venom. This procedure has been used for venomous snakes, kept for pets or used in public demonstrations, to remove the risk of injury or death when handled. Removal of fangs is uncommon, as snakes frequently regenerate teeth, and the more invasive procedure of removing the underlying maxillary bone would be fatal. Most venomoid procedures consist of either removing the venom gland itself, or severing the duct between the gland and the fang. However, the duct and gland have been known to regenerate, and supposedly "safe" snakes have killed mice and successfully envenomated humans.

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  <title>Looking for long-term outcomes of venom</title>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by qimo &mdash; 2026-05-29 17:41:39 GMT</p><p>I'm researching the specific effects of venom duct ligation (tubal ligation) on snakes, not full gland removal. I'm trying to find any documented cases or personal experiences regarding the long-term outcomes of this procedure.</p>
<p>Specifically, I'm looking for information on:<br />
1. Snakes that had only duct ligation (with glands left intact)<br />
2. What happened to these snakes over time (months to years)<br />
3. Any cases of regeneration where venom flow returned<br />
4. Health problems specifically linked to ligation (not removal)</p>
<p>I've read EdK's 2006 post about the risk of tying off the trigonal nerve by mistake, and the FAQ mentioning ligation is a "less effective technique." But I'm hoping to find actual follow-up cases from keepers who had this done.</p>
<p>Did the snakes thrive? Did they develop digestive issues? Did any later prove to be venomous again?</p>
<p>Any links, personal stories, or vet records would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.</p></div>
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  <title>Venomous snake handling mentor</title>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by Aidenlb44 &mdash; 2020-02-17 13:34:52 GMT</p><p>Hello i live in the mid atlantic (Maryland) and i want to get into the hobby of keeping and handling venoumes snakes and maybe milking them too. if you are willing to be a mentor or know anyone who can please contact me on the fourm or email me at Aidensayshi22@gmail.com . Thanks</p></div>
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  <title>Venomous Handling</title>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by hgorall &mdash; 2019-02-19 04:00:50 GMT</p><p>I am looking for a mentor for venomous handling in the Midwest United States. I am located in Indianapolis, Indiana. Yes, I have done lots of research, and yes I am certain I want to get into the hobby. Please let me know if you can help, or know anyone that can. Thanks.</p></div>
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  <title>new wc morphed stripped copperhead</title>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by snakeman62 &mdash; 2019-01-02 17:36:53 GMT</p><p>I caught this what I was told was a morphed stripped copperhead Oct.1st. after many yrs. of snake hunting this is the first of many many coppers I've Ever seen. It is about 34" - 36" long. I haven't probed it just guessing a female.<br />
would like to know more about it?<br />
how command are they ? about there morphed genes and what happens in the woods to cause this?<br />
and about what there worth is to the newer market of morphed copperheads.<br />
though exp. with most venomous ( Dumb as a box full of rocks with this subject 😁). Any help very much apreshated.<br />
<img class="img-fluid" src="http://20181204_205148" alt="Image"></p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by snakeman62 &mdash; 2019-01-02 18:32:07 GMT</p><p>Here is a photo<br />
<img class="img-fluid" src="http://gallery.kingsnake.com/data/22400620181216_115917-med.jpg"></p>
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  <title>Acquistare Propecia generico in Italia</title>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by Silmor &mdash; 2018-08-05 09:18:01 GMT</p><p>Dunque nell'estate del 2012 presi acquistare Propecia <a href="http://farmaciafabrizi.eu/acquistare-propecia-generico-italia" target="_blank">finasteride prezzop</a> 1mg online in Italia durante 14 giorni che mi fu prescritto da una clinica di perdita di capelli specializzata in Irlanda. Sebbene facessi una quantità decente di ricerca sui rischi associati, che hanno incluso imbattersi in questo sito, ho deciso di continuare il farmaco. Il mio approccio è stato quello che Se mi imbatto in qualche parte mi staccherò immediatamente in modo che il farmaco non potesse aver fatto nessun danno irreparabile (che ingenuo sono stato). Consapevolmente provai a sollevare la mia coscienza di come il mio azionamento sessuale fu e durante giorno 13 notai una goccia leggera in libido e sperma acquoso dopo eiaculazione. Questo fu la mia bandiera rossa e mi fermai immediatamente all'inizio di agosto 2012. Comunque, proprio ho continuato con il 5% di attualità minoxidil.</p>
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<p>Questo è dove la mia storia diventa poco confusa! Dopo che mi fermai ebbi la punta in azionamento sessuale e poi lo scontro successivo attraverso cui tutti gli altri sembrano di passare. Il mio scontro ha coinvolto il dolore estremo e gonfiandosi nei miei testicoli, dolore addominale e dolore nel mio perenium/prostate, comunque, non ricordo nessuno scontro nella mia libido o funzionamento sessuale. Il mio dottore mi diede un antiincendiario e la settimana seguente il dolore calò e la mia vita continuò a quanto pare senza un intoppo. Dunque a partire da fine di agosto 2012 a inizio di marzo 2013 fui il 100% in tutte le aree. Allora all'inizio di marzo notai la mia libido e la salute sessuale prese un colpo massiccio. Le erezioni sono diventate molto più difficili da mantenere e il mio sperma è andato acquoso di nuovo con poca pressione! WTF!!!</p>
<p>Fui fuori dai boschi durante 6 mesi interi e poi BAM sono colpito di nuovo! I sintomi furono moderati all'inizio e fui capace di portare a termine un'erezione dopo stimolazione e mantenerla ma questo non è più il caso la maggior parte giorni. Sono adesso 4 mesi su e non ho notato nessun miglioramento coerente. In effetti i sintomi hanno peggiorato i due mesi passati. Non ho quasi desiderio di donne sebbene sia uno zerbinotto felice senza pressione che aveva l'abitudine di esser molto sessualmente guidato.</p>
<p>[quora]Ancora prendo erezioni del mattino e questo sembra di essere l'unico tempo posso continuarlo senza stimolazione. Con questi sintomi adesso ho meno di un desiderio di fare amicizia e più di un desiderio da esser isolato. Non sembro di ottenere lo stesso livello di gioia da cose a cui sono solito. Non sono mai eccitato su mettermi insieme o bevendo con amici più. Quasi pensa che perdo una parte della mia suola o qualcosa.[/quora]</p>
<p>Sono completamente confuso da quello che è avvenuto qui. Non sembra di avere il senso come le mie funzioni sessuali sono andate in rovina quindi molto tempo dopo abbandono. Una cosa interessante annotare sebbene sia che il mio scontro in qualche modo ha coinciso con me fermando l'uso di minoxidil. Non posso ricordare esattamente per quanto tempo dopo che lo scontro successe, ma forse 2 o 3 settimane dopo essersi fermato minox. So che questo non è un sito su minox ma ho bisogno di riuscire a capire se ha recitato una parte. Ha qualcuno ha provato problemi con minox? La domanda principale che mi piacerebbe chiedere sebbene sia questo, ha provato qualcuno un ritardo di là annunciano lo scontro finanziario? Non ho trovato un caso come mio quindi sono seriamente disorientato e preoccupato.</p></div>
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  <title>Two-headed albino rattlesnake LIVE</title>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by dangerdan &mdash; 2018-07-22 06:53:20 GMT</p><p>So this guy was born this week. mouth is deformed but he does have four eyes and two sets of fangs.</p>
<p>https://youtu.be/UazUF_IMQFE<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/UazUF_IMQFE">Link</a></p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by snakeman62 &mdash; 2019-01-02 19:16:59 GMT</p><p>That little guy is crazy looking.<br />
Did he live ????</p></div>
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  <title>Eastern vs. Western Diamondback</title>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by DylanHess512 &mdash; 2016-11-29 16:23:59 GMT</p><p>Hey Kingsnake! This is my first post and I am thrilled to be here with an experienced plethora of keepers! <br />
I am a 16-year-old Herper who is keeping a variety of specimens. Some I bought right here! I have just got the idea of starting to upgrade my snakes and lizards, I am looking to pick myself up an Eastern or Western Diamondback Rattler. I have followed all my local laws and have the permits and work experience with most cobras and mambas, but I want my first to be a Diamond. Would you all help me decide between an Eastern and Western, the proper setups and care? This is an early idea, which is why I want as many keepers experience and ideas as possible. I am planning on getting a hot snake, as the "defanging" or venomoid process can cause infection, and overall is cruel to the reptile</p></div>
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  <title>Anyone in Ontario</title>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by beagle &mdash; 2016-07-29 10:41:10 GMT</p><p>Hi, just wondering if anyone in Ontario has any crotalus Lepidus klauberi? I've been keeping various crotalus, ornate cantils, sharped nosed vipers, Mexican jumping vipers, baboon's and copperheads. I'm always looking for new stuff but can never get Lepidus or sub species. Does anyone now of anyone keeping?</p>
<p>Thank you</p>
<p>Todd</p></div>
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  <title>Antivenom</title>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by Wolfram92 &mdash; 2016-05-02 01:32:03 GMT</p><p>I am wondering if you venomous snake owners have antivenom and if so how do I find some because in the state of ohio in order to get a permit you must have antivenom for the species that you have.</p></div>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by ryan904 &mdash; 2015-05-11 14:13:31 GMT</p><p>Hey everyone,<br />
First off, if this is in the wrong thread I apologize and please let me know which thread this needs to be in and I will delete and re-post.</p>
<p>although I'm technically a new member to king snake forums, I have referenced these threads for many years.</p>
<p>I have been handling non-venomous snakes for many years.</p>
<p>I live in North Florida (Jacksonville) and i'm looking to earn community service hours(for college) and gain 1,000 hours (eventually) of training/handling venomous snakes and attempting to obtain a permit sometime in the next few years.</p>
<p>I have submitted requests to the zoos around my local area to become a volunteer and I have not received a response.  If anyone knows of a shop near my area that is in need of a volunteer please let me know!</p>
<p>I have tried to read up on the Florida wild life website but it is not very detailed with EXACTLY what I need for a permit, all I know is 2 references and 1,000 hours of training so if you are familiar with my state laws, your input would be appreciated.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p></div>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by SpookyTom &mdash; 2015-01-11 04:20:41 GMT</p><p>Where is the nearest hot shows to Kansas City?</p></div>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by wohlerswi &mdash; 2014-10-22 23:12:43 GMT</p><p>Thought I would share some pics of my pair of striped and het stripe dusky pygmies.  These were produced in Madrid Spain, and I have had them for a little while now.  The female het is probably the prettiest normal colored dusky I have seen.  She is in shed in the pics but Ill post more in the next few days when she sheds. Enjoy!<br />
Will</p>
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<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by CindySteinle &mdash; 2014-11-10 14:18:25 GMT</p><p>That female is gorgeous!</p></div>
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  <title>Neodesha cages</title>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by Maryann &mdash; 2014-10-13 22:56:11 GMT</p><p>If anyone is interested in purchasing brand new, never-used, still in the box Neodesha cages, weekend of the next Hamburg show (October 25th), e-mail durissus10@aol.com or call 417-848-9201 for sizes, prices, etc.</p></div>
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  <title>I am looking for some pointers</title>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by bradleysummers &mdash; 2014-09-23 15:39:23 GMT</p><p>I am searching for someone who can help me touch up on safe handling of a venomous reptile. I generally only work with rattlesnakes. and when i do i use a home made snake hook made out of a 4 ft long fence post. But i keep the snakes head away from me at all times and i keep my hand grasped on the area of the tail under the rattle. Is there anything that i am doing wrong if so please tell me. I am a up and coming 16 year old reptile relocationist</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by LarryF &mdash; 2015-02-15 08:15:25 GMT</p><p>(I'm assuming for the moment that you only do this occasionally and you don't handle venomous snakes on a regular basis.)</p>
<p>Well, if you can spend a few bucks, my first suggestion would be to get TWO real snake hooks. If you can help it, you shouldn't have ANY part of a rattlesnake's body within roughly one body length of ANY part of your body. I don't necessarily always do this myself, but I handle 4-5 foot rattlesnakes on a regular basis, and I have years of experience in holding them in such a way that the hooks are blocking them from striking towards me.I don't currently have any that are too heavy to handle with hooks alone, but you shouldn't be tailing a rattlesnake without a fair amount of experience. I hate to say it, if handling them is just an occasional thing, I'd rather see you kill the snake than yake a chance on tailing it. (You're relatively unlikely to die from a rattlesnake bite in the U.S., but you might when you see the hospital bill.)</p>
<p>Then next thing would be a good, solid wood crate. I put an eye hook in the lid of mine, where I can close the lid using a hook, without getting near the box.</p>
<p>Third suggestion, if at all possible, but least likely to BE possible, find someone locally who can give you a little one-on-one instruction in handling. Many keepers will be happy to do this for free, though they might ask to do it at YOUR house for liability reasons.</p>
<p>Next, you might even want to research your local laws. Here in Florida, relocating venomous without a Venomous Reptile License is illegal, and the license is not a simple thing to get.<br />
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<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by bradleysummers &mdash; 2014-09-24 21:13:28 GMT</p><p>Thank you. I may have some old golf clubs around my house that I could use</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by Ian Long &mdash; 2014-09-24 20:09:55 GMT</p><p>There may be plenty of people who hook and tail rattlers as you do. They may consider this method to be safe because they are skilled at doing it. But I was taught to never touch vipers or pit vipers, unless they are tubed, due to the speed of their strike. The safer alternative is to use 2 hooks when 1 is  not enough (heavy or wiggly snake).</p>
<p>Your fence post hook sounds like it might be heavier than ideal. If it is much heavier than a  commercial hook I would consider it too heavy. The more quickly and easily you can manipulate hooks, the more effective and therefore safer you will be. Consider making hooks from old golf clubs, which can be found for practically nothing. Also consider making a pair of much smaller hooks. They will work better on small rattlers.</p></div>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by a51stcenturyboy &mdash; 2014-09-16 15:13:12 GMT</p><p>I'm hoping this is the right place, if not just steer me in the right direction! Anyways, I live in a little suburb surrounded by protected wetland and woodland, and recent construction has caused a lot of movement in the local wildlife. This has resulted in a lot of needless killing of both venomous and non-venomous snakes people assume are dangerous. It breaks my heart, truly, as I've been a herp lover my entire life. So, I am looking for someone who possesses local venomous and nonvenomous snakes who might be willing to bring some out here for a sort of show and tell to both help build up the understanding of these beautiful creatures and help people to identify them. Most of what I have seen killed have been water snakes but there has been a copperhead among the lot so it's not all paranoia and misunderstanding.</p>
<p>If you all know about any businesses or rehabbers/educators who could do this, don't hesitate to point me their way either. Thanks guy!</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by a51stcenturyboy &mdash; 2014-10-13 16:54:14 GMT</p><p>Yeah, I realized that after the fact but got caught up with sick children. I'm located in DFW, south of Denton near the Texas Speedway, and everything has been exploding out here. Housing developments and businesses are cropping up so quickly the local fauna is pretty thrown for a loop. If I could convince my neighbors that they don't need to kill the Copperheads that keep ending up on their patios and driveways I'd sleep a lot better at night. I've gone so far as to offer to capture them at any hour of the day or night and take them further up the creek where they aren't as likely to come back just to slow the destruction but no one has taken me up on it yet so I'm not sure if they're finally finding food elsewhere or if people are just blowing me off. Either way I have a history of animal rehab and release (although with birds of prey more than herps) and am equally interested in finding out how best to go about doing rescue and education if there isn't anyone within a reasonable distance.</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by TimCole &mdash; 2014-10-13 01:44:44 GMT</p><p>Knowing where you are located will help.<br />
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by nicthebeast &mdash; 2014-09-15 05:15:26 GMT</p><p>I have a several baby westerns that will not eat for me I have tried mice pinks, rat,and African softfurs pinks also,will not eat any of them.. I have never dealt with baby rattlesnakes not eating so I'm kinda lost on it. and I don't want to force feed if I don't have to.</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by TimCole &mdash; 2014-09-15 15:53:39 GMT</p><p>Have they done there first shed?</p>
<p>If not and you have the mother, put them back with mom until they shed.</p>
<p>Newborns typically don't feed right away so I wouldn't be too concerned for a few weeks.</p>
<p>If they have shed, offer them larger meals such as fuzzies or hoppers.</p>
<p>I assume they are set-up individually with a hide box and a basking area?<br />
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by rings &mdash; 2014-06-09 00:59:42 GMT</p><p>I recently found a nice &quot;nest&quot; of Western Daimondback rattlesnakes living in a pile of fence planks. However, I had to get to work so I had to abandon the effort to relocate them.</p>
<p>The problem is, they seem to have now left the area since I found them. I've dismantled the pile a few times now, and nothing.</p>
<p>What gives ?</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by rings &mdash; 2014-06-13 20:43:46 GMT</p><p>Ah, I had no idea.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by TimCole &mdash; 2014-06-13 06:19:48 GMT</p><p>Once disturbed, it's not unusual for them to find another hiding place.<br />
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by Woodsnake &mdash; 2014-05-27 19:29:35 GMT</p><p>I am planning on taking the Florida state exam to help reduce the hours needed for a venomous license from 1000 hours to 500 hours. I have been sent some literature from FWC to study from. Most of the literature is state statutes and a small, out of print, herpetological circular about keeping venomous snakes. Is there anyone out there who has taken this exam and could give me an idea of what the questions were like? I would rather not take this exam more than once if possible and I am due to start accumulating my hours in late October.</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by ryan904 &mdash; 2015-05-11 14:45:45 GMT</p><p>Will do.  Sorry for all of the questions but I just want to be prepard.  To what extent of studying are you talking about?  like a few hours a day or just a couple of law books and your good?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by Woodsnake &mdash; 2015-05-11 14:44:27 GMT</p><p>To apply just call the closest FWC office to you and schedule a date and time to take the test. I did it in Ocala</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by ryan904 &mdash; 2015-05-11 14:32:38 GMT</p><p>Thanks for the response!  I'm glad to here there is such thing as this test!</p>
<p>Could you please let me know how to apply for this test?</p>
<p>Also, have you aquired your 500 hours yet?</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by Woodsnake &mdash; 2015-05-11 14:30:56 GMT</p><p>The test was much easier than I expected and from what I heard from other people it has always been kind of a joke. If you have spent any time keeping snakes and reading snake books this test should be no problem. The only thing you probably need to study up on is the laws and rules regarding keeping venomous snakes as well as Heloderma. I got an 88% and I spent most of my time studying the laws. Good luck</p></div>
<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by ryan904 &mdash; 2015-05-11 14:21:50 GMT</p><p>Hey,</p>
<p>How did the test go and how do you apply for that?</p>
<p>I'm in college and don't have the time to go for 1,000 hours so this would be very helpful (I live in Florida as well.)</p>
<p>Please let me know!</p>
<p>Thanks!</p></div>
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  <description><![CDATA[<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Original post</strong> by JYohe &mdash; 2013-09-10 15:55:59 GMT</p><p>???didn't hear about this until today. The last Hamburg show had a bust ? Seems the Pa fish comm. busted all people with &quot;&quot;Native&quot;&quot; reptiles.....native as in any species or sub-species of copperhead...even broad banded (southern ,Trans-Pecos too) ..saying copperhead is native and illegal...Heard the same with any painted turtle . Heard they are going to go for ANY &quot;milksnake&quot; next...any...as in any of the 26 ssp...saying milks are milks?...</p>
<p>YET the amel black rats are legal...even though they are  exactly black ratsnakes / Allegheny ratsnakes, yet a &quot;morph&quot;</p>
<p>....heard they didn't check any lisences or permits for anything just went after the copperheads.</p>
<p>next thing you know it will be legal to ship retics and not Burmese.....cough....</p>
<p>Government.....(look under retarded in the dictionary)<br />
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<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by deathstalker &mdash; 2014-01-30 17:33:57 GMT</p><p>Holy [bleep], these forums <i>are</i> dead!  Sorry it's taken <i>me</i> so long to respond; as I may or may not have shared the plans (I didn't go back far enough to catch up on what We were discussing), my girlfriend and I moved to PA on 18 October 2013, and We haven't had internet since.  So, We hit up the library every 2-3 weeks when We can, and I have 72 emails left including this, HA! <img src="https://forums.kingsnake.com/admin/images/smiles/tongue.gif" alt=":P" class="smiley"></p>
<p>So; quickly...</p>
<p>Indeed; in the right hands, which--relatively speaking, since Hot keepers are the minority within the herpetocultural hobby--We are more responsible* than others who might work with, say, Dart Frogs and Day Geckos.</p>
<p>One-hundred <i>Python regius</i> is a lot...I'd rather use the space for more various genera/species. <img class="img-fluid" src="https://forums.kingsnake.com/images/smiles/wink.gif" border="0" alt="">  As for people &quot;hating&quot; Royals in the 80s/early 90s, it's because most (Normal morphs, at least) were WC, and heavily (externally) parasitized.  I swear: that was the species with the most ticks I had ever kept (and perhaps the <i>only</i> species with ticks I had ever kept!).  And yes; the further back in Time You go (especially 60s/70s), the more dealers and keepers alike were into the newest are rarest species.  Then money for &quot;creations&quot; dominated...ugh.</p>
<p>I understand You on the &quot;raped herps&quot; now.  Hence, 'moderation' in my previous message. <img class="img-fluid" src="https://forums.kingsnake.com/images/smiles/wink.gif" border="0" alt="">  I don't care if it's legal to take 100 eggs in a season; a respectful and Nature-loving dealer would only take 50 (hopefully less), and so on.</p>
<p>Get a snake!!  And no kidding; weather is brutal here...quite a flood zone, We hear.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Timothy</p>
<p>*In regards to <i>responsibility</i>--and it may have seemed like comparing apples and oranges with Hots to Dart Frogs/Day Geckos--it also entails knowledge and research in providing optimum/proper habitats which can, for example, ensure proper sheds = less interaction between specimen(s) and keeper = less chance of bites = responsibility. <img class="img-fluid" src="https://forums.kingsnake.com/images/smiles/wink.gif" border="0" alt="">  <i>Id est,</i> Hot keepers better-create environments which result in less health issues.<br />
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<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by JYohe &mdash; 2013-10-12 18:12:30 GMT</p><p>...these forums are dead....write all you want....</p>
<p>.....I agree with you on all points I think....</p>
<p>I never kept hots...but have friends that do...so I could see all kinds of stuff anytime I wanted to...and trust them fully while with the hots...so no fears being around them...</p>
<p>I like the last part of part three...and yes it's the reason to have a wild...they know it...</p>
<p>....((I had over 100 ball pythons when I sold out...plus milks,rats and odds and end stuff....yea...morph ball pythons laying there...in the early 90's even back in the 80's I guess...people hated balls...they kind of grow on you $$$ ))</p>
<p>when I say raped herps...I mean over kill or over collected....as in dozensss of one species on a one week trip...and such...or hundreds of eggs ....legal and non-legal states...</p>
<p>I need a snake again !......if my basement dries out again....PA got hammered...like 6 ? plus inches of rain right here ....my yard is a foot deep?...plus...</p>
<p>later....&gt;<br />
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<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by Deathstalker &mdash; 2013-10-12 06:58:14 GMT</p><p>Where did ALL CBB establishments start from?  Wild-caught specimens of course!  And there are thousands more species to be established, so until if-and-when some few dedicated inidividuals <i>achieve</i> this, I support WC <b>if legally acquired.</b>  Wild-caught shouldn't be the staple of a dealer's supply, but in moderation it is okay.  And even after CBB establishments occur, occasional fresh, wild blood fused into bloodlines will help strengthen what will otherwise become weak and degenerate bloodlines...especially when captitalist pigs start &quot;playing God&quot; in producing the next &quot;creation&quot; (<i>id est</i>, man-made morph; via selective-, cross-, and in-breeding) to bank their $1,000s off of.  There is a reason Mother Nature suppresses recessive genes: <i>because they're weak!!</i>  ...and these capitalist pigs like to <i>focus on</i> and <i>praise</i> the weak and degenerate...talk about something wrong &quot;up there.&quot;  It should raise red flags...</p>
<p>Anyway, I've always liked WC specimens because they have a different essence or aura to them; it's the emanation of <i>how they're supposed to be,</i> of them <i>naturally!</i>  Not just in colour/pattern, but their demeanor/disposition, too.</p>
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<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by Deathstalker &mdash; 2013-10-12 06:57:38 GMT</p><p>The few bad apples are what make legislature crack down, so dealers/breeders should make a doubly-concerted effort to evaluate one's qualifications.  It is a <i>much</i> better alternative to a government(s) creating rules, regulations, and permit/license requirements for the good guys which comprise 90% of Us.</p>
<p>Now, if You meant &quot;don't like rules or regs&quot; as in illegally catching WC, I will have to contest You.  I may not be fond of government, but I <i>do</i> believe they are reasonable and accurate in their assessment of a species' predicament, and therefore list them (&quot;Endangered&quot;, &quot;Threatened&quot;, or &quot;Special Concern&quot; ) for good reason and justification.  These protection laws need to be respected!  And I will believe You hold such respect, morals and ethics. <img class="img-fluid" src="https://forums.kingsnake.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" border="0" alt=""></p>
<p>If You meant &quot;don't like rules or regs&quot; as in legally raped WC...well obviously, there's nothing to be regulated, and therefore nothing to complain about. <img class="img-fluid" src="https://forums.kingsnake.com/images/smiles/wink.gif" border="0" alt="">  But if a species that occurs in, say, PA was caught in a different state, and PA doesn't allow the sale of native species which these specimens constitute as, there's no way for PA to know if they were caught in, say, Virginia or PA.  Thus, I support the authorities taking them away.<br />
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<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by Deathstalker &mdash; 2013-10-12 06:56:45 GMT</p><p><i>&quot;but yes....I have seen illegally caught- wild -raped stuff at shows....more than one show....sometimes under tables...you don't get offered stuff unless you know people....&quot;</i></p>
<p>I'm not surprised.  Oh well.</p>
<p><i>&quot;anyways....I don't like any rules or regs....&quot;</i></p>
<p>Funny You should say this.  Coming from Massachusetts my entire 29.5-year life and originally going to Florida before We re-deciding (-from one year ago) on Pennsylvania two months ago, I thought Florida's permit system was the most reasonable and greatest thing.  But early in my 15 hours and 19 minutes of phone calls with a great and well-known Floridian Hot keeper, I came to realize it's major overkill (to paraphrase him), and who the Hel is the government to say what I can and cannot keep?!  Only if I am endangering society, I suppose...</p>
<p>And on that note, it really comes down to keeping out of harm's way via responsibility, common sense, proper equipment and plenty of it, and practical caging.  B.W. Smith's <u>Venomous Snakes in Captivity</u> is a &quot;bible&quot; indeed, full of common sense which I pride myself in having <i>much</i> of, yet this book made me realize things that would have otherwise come with time and experience in probably 1-3 years.  Having safety protocols (including for natural disasters) isn't a bad idea neither, and stocking Your own antivenin for fast-acting venom (<i>exempli gratia, Dendroaspis polylepis</i>) is the best &quot;insurance policy&quot; if You have the money.</p>
<p>All of the pioneering Hot handlers--Bill Haast, need I say more?--were all autodidact, so who is to say a prospective modern keeper <b>with a good head on their shoulders</b> (!!) can't teach themselves?!  ...starting with the right species, of course, such as a <i>Sistrurus catenatus tergeminus.  Id est,</i> I don't believe in rules and regulations neither; however...<br />
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<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by JYohe &mdash; 2013-10-11 20:34:07 GMT</p><p>thought I have.....my memory may be off....?</p>
<p>but yes....I have seen illegally caught- wild -raped stuff at shows....more than one show....sometimes under tables...you don't get offered stuff unless you know people....the legally  raped stuff is there also...some like it, some don't....I bought some wild stuff over the years ....some does well, some dies really fast.....</p>
<p>....anyways....I don't like any rules or regs....<br />
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<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by Deathstalker &mdash; 2013-10-11 02:26:21 GMT</p><p>&quot;I've seen a lot....and yes ,,a lot of stuff that makes us scream why!...(wild stuff raped from the land)..(yes northerns also).&quot;</p>
<p>Does this imply You have seen <i>A. c. mokasen</i> (Northern Copperhead) at Hamburg?  Or are You just speaking in general (such as poaching)?  Because again: a few vendors/spectators who have also vended/spectated the show just as long as You claim said they've never seen a <i>A. c. mokasen</i> make its way in...?  Contradicting sources, that's all, and I like to analyze and figure things out. <img class="img-fluid" src="https://forums.kingsnake.com/images/smiles/tongue.gif" border="0" alt=""></p>
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<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by Deathstalker &mdash; 2013-10-11 02:15:02 GMT</p><p><i>A. c. mokasen</i> = Northern Copperhead = illegal up here.  <i>A. c. contortrix</i> is the nominate subspecies: the Southern Copperhead which, yes, I am sure plenty have been sold in the 23 years of the Hamburg show...as well as the other three (3) subspecies (five (5) total: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agkistrodon_contortrix#Subspecies), and these four (4) nonnative subspecies should all <i>continue</i> to be legally sold.</p>
<p>Admittedly, this was my first time attending the show, but I knew a lot about it from obsessing <i>wanting</i> to attend it for so many years.  Aside from--paraphrased from the previously-mentioned vendor-friend I know well, but also my own belief--WC being one of the drawbacks to the show...well, from standing in line at 08:15 till leaving at 15:00, having made five (5) complete rounds and several revisits, I LOVE this show!! <img class="img-fluid" src="https://forums.kingsnake.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" border="0" alt=""></p>
<p>I wish I could make the the show on the 19th, but again: We're moving down on the 18th and need to settle in, and Johnstown is ~7 hours round-trip from Hamburg...We will have driven ~8 hours the previous day. <img src="https://forums.kingsnake.com/admin/images/smiles/tongue.gif" alt=":P" class="smiley">  But We may attend the Pittsburgh show on the 20th (= ~3 hours round-trip), definitely on 11/10, and the Hamburg shows on 12/7 and the 2/22/14 - Denise Readinger says the February show is the big one: shoulder-to-shoulder, great selection, and good sales (-unlike the August 3rd show which I overheard many vendors say they weren't doing good).  We're ecstatic!<br />
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<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by JYohe &mdash; 2013-10-10 20:17:45 GMT</p><p>and they all attested they have never seen a A. c. mokasen at the Hamburg show in its 23 years.</p>
<p>A c mokasen...southern?.....I thought I have seen southerns , Trans-Pecos, and Rio Grande's  at Hamburg ?...but I am not sure....I vended there for 20 years....I've seen a lot....and yes ,,a lot of stuff that makes us scream why!...(wild stuff raped from the land)..(yes northerns also)..</p>
<p>.....I was not there this year .....<br />
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<div class="rss-post"><p><strong>Reply</strong> by deathstalker &mdash; 2013-10-09 06:09:26 GMT</p><p>My girlfriend and I were at the August 3rd Hamburg show, and indeed, the Water Conservation Police busted two, maybe three, vendors for having <i>Agkistrodon contortrix contortrix.</i></p>
<p>The reason is because they did/do <b>not</b> distinguish between subspecies.  Simple as that, and quite the bull[bleep].  We were right beside the WCP when addressing Kevin Brown/The Hibernaculum (left side when You walk in).  A few tables down, a vendor with exclusively <i>A. c. contortrix</i>--and clearly WC...whether legally caught on the way up (-presumably) or not, that was quite the lack or morals and ethics which infuriated a few of Us--had them ALL taken away, and there was a good half-dozen or so.  I believe a third vendor (also on the left side (...), but all the way down on the inner corner) was addressed although I don't recall seeing <i>Agkistrodon contortrix</i> sspp. at his table...?</p>
<p>It would be nice if these &quot;retarded&quot; WCP were actually <i>educated</i> because as We should All know, A. c. contortrix is quite distinguishable from A. c. mokasen, and a good few vendors in (personal) defense of Kevin Brown and the others spoke this among Ourselves (no; I'm not a vendor, but I know one quite well, and We were All talking afterward), and they all attested they have <i>never</i> seen a <i>A. c. mokasen</i> at the Hamburg show in its 23 years.</p>
<p>&quot;Government.....(look under retarded in the dictionary)&quot;</p>
<p>More like <i>bureaucratic</i>, and simply ignorant/naive.<br />
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