return to main index

  mobile - desktop
follow us on facebook follow us on twitter follow us on YouTube link to us on LinkedIn
Southwestern Center for Herpetological Research  
Click for 65% off Shipping with Reptiles 2 You
Locate a business by name: click to list your business
search the classifieds. buy an account
events by zip code list an event
Search the forums             Search in:
News & Events: Kingsnake Merch Store . . . . . . . . . .  Kingsnake returns to Tinley . . . . . . . . . .  kingsnake.com joins Monitor Brains! . . . . . . . . . .  Sneak Peek . . . . . . . . . .  Amphibian gut bacteria showing promise in cancer research . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  Meet The Baroness - The world's longest snake . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  Updates? . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  The mechanics behind the viper strike . . . . . . . . . .  Snakes on a Train? . . . . . . . . . .  Tracking the animals in the Florida Everglades - Meet the Croc Docs . . . . . . . . . .  Reintroduction attempts give San Francisco Garter a second chance . . . . . . . . . .  Promoting Reptiles is Our Jam Man . . . . . . . . . .  Origins of Chytrid discovered . . . . . . . . . .  Wisdom Wednesday - The Forums - The water is warm... Come on in! . . . . . . . . . .  Kingsnake.com Past, Present and Future . . . . . . . . . .  IHS Celebrates 50 years . . . . . . . . . .  End of January 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Fun Fact Friday - Green Tree Monitor . . . . . . . . . .  The Evolution of the Osteoderm discovered . . . . . . . . . .  PACNWRS Expo Jan 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Diamondback discovered in new Texas county for first time . . . . . . . . . .  Expo Setup . . . . . . . . . .  Reptiles greater than Golden Globes . . . . . . . . . .  Meander Monday . . . . . . . . . .  Update: Release mobile friendly!! . . . . . . . . . .  Reptile Super Show Pomona California . . . . . . . . . .  Chicago Herpetological Society Meeting - Apr 19, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Bay Area Herpetological Society Meeting - Apr 24, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  DFW Herp Society Meeting - April 25, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Big Sky Reptile Expo - April 25-26, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Greater Cincinnati Herp Society Meeting - May 06, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  CRE - May 16-17, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Colorado Herp Society Meeting - May 16, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Chicago Herpetological Society Meeting - May 17, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Bay Area Herpetological Society Meeting - May 22, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  DFW Herp Society Meeting - May 23, 2026 . . . . . . . . . . 
Join USARK - Fight for your rights!
full banner - advertise here .50¢/1000 views
Click for 65% off Shipping with Reptiles 2 You
pool banner - $50 year

argueing in circles

[ Login ] [ User Prefs ] [ Search Forums ] [ Back to Main Page ] [ Back to California Kingsnakes ] [ Reply To This Message ]
[ Register to Post ]

Posted by: zach_whitman at Fri Dec 1 01:53:47 2006  [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by zach_whitman ]  
   

I think we can all argue in circles about wether or not you can breed the hybrid out of a snake. The purists will tell you no, there will always be some small amount of foreign DNA and they are right. And the rest will say how would you ever know, you probobly have some hybrids in your "pure" collection right now! After all only a sharp eye would have caught something unusual about that "normal" cal king and it 25% cambelli!!



WHATEVER! everyone knows the facts about this situation and its just personal preference whether any hybridization bothers you or not. We should all just try to be as honest as possible and that the most anyone can ask for.



I just wanted to coment on the traits being allelic across similar species...



Since melanin (just using albino as an example) is the same protein with the same molecular structure in all reptiles that I know of, this means that it has the same DNA sequence in all species. This means that an extremely early ancestor of modern reptiles developed this pigment and through speciation it has spead across many organisms.



It used to be that the definition of a species was animals that were capable of interbreeding with each other. Now we know that this is not true and our definition of what makes up a species has had to become somewhat more flexible. Since all colubrids are very closely related species and all lampropeltis are even closer, it makes perfect sense that mutated traits in highly conserved DNA sequences would be allelic across species. IE moving a functional gene to a different spot on a chromosome is not something that happens easily so the same genes will reside on the different species in the same place on the same chromosomes etc.



In fact it would not surprise me if certain specific traits were allelic across drastically differnt species. It may not be possible to breed an albino boa with an albino kinsnake to find out for other obvious reasons but I bet that the location and structure of the melanin genes are similar across most snake species.



cheers


   

[ Reply To This Message ] [ Subscribe to this Thread ] [ Show Entire Thread ]


>> Next Message:  RE: argueing in circles - Upscale, Fri Dec 1 10:56:03 2006

<< Previous Message:  Its no different than what nature does - bluerosy, Fri Dec 1 00:14:26 2006

Click here for Dragon Serpents Click here for Dragon Serpents Click to visit Spitfire Reptiles
KINGSNAKE.COM

Enjoy all our content free of charge with a user account that gives you full access to every feature. For added visibility, paid options are available - post in our Classifieds, showcase your business with Banner Ads or a Directory listing, promote reptile events, and more.

Quick Links
Community
Legal & Safety
Support

Register for free ✓ Sign up!

Kingsnake.com ® is a registered trademark © 1997-