"when contempt they have no need to escape,"

Jobi, just want to point out for you that contempt is when you have bad feelings or despise someone. I think you meant content here!

Also wanted to point out that from my experince with several armata lost over the last 3 years that they are an exception to your comment on Acanthosaura turning dark and ugly when stressed. It has been my experience that with the armata it is very hard to tell when the males are crashing. They will look very healthy, fat and bright in color right up to the day you find them laying stiff and dead on the botton of the viv, or clinging by one claw from a vine or branch. It is really sort of wierd! Its almost as if the colors become more vibrant just before they pass! Because of this I am having a very hard time reading my armata. The females are easier to read as they show dehydration with flakey and saggy skin, dull color and sunken eyes when they are stressed, but not the males from what I have experienced. Every male I have lost has look like a gem when he died.
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Marcia - FroggieB Dragons
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