Rick, did you find them on public or private land? No hard feelings if you want to keep that a secret though. I got Brian Hubbs book on mountain kings and it has given me a lot of good info. Looks like I was headed in the right direction. It does mention in there of a L.ZZ found at lake sonoma at around 600ft elevation. I'm at that lake all the time and I didn't know they were out that far east. Any one ever heard of finding them out that way?

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