yyyyyep, never seen any other z, except for Coastals, with red on the snout. I do have a male Laguna pulchra with some red "eyebrows" kinda like the San Jac parv male I posted above but never anything below that.

Let's just tick off Joe and call his parv a hybrid or a cross.........LMAO.

But then again, with the nomenclature debocle I presume that it couldn't be as they'd both be from the southern clade....? Just pronouncing the word "clade" is frustrating enough Rick. Do you know I've heard three different forms of pronunciation for that dang word?!? LOL.


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And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

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