I don't have them anymore because they cruised around like a drunk as$....LOL. But to clear up what you said in the main forum. I feel the male is a 100% pure martir, it was the female that for whatever reason I didn't feel was pure. To be honest with you, I don't have much experience or seen enough "pure" martir, sh!t, I might not have seen any "pure" martirs and really, not many other people can say they have either...for 100%. It's up to people to believe and or trust if what they have seen or have is real deal. That is one reason I don't chime in on any martir vs. juarez stuff, as I have never seen a martir in the field so don't know 100% what I'm looking at-(not from not lack of effort though). I know it is one of my favorite places to be though-

A couple shots from my first trip in '06-(no snakes were seen, except for a couple DOR's down lower) but I had a good feeling about this spot-


Looking at the Observatory from Vallecitos meadow-


Then on aonther trip, here is home for 5 days-


This last trip, we saw many snakes, but mostly all down lower in elevation. I did find one snake up in the pines and just over 8000ft, which is better than most-


A couple other spots, last year I think I was just a week late though-


On the way to la teserja-


Such an awesome view-


many beers to this look every night as we started cruising, gophers being chopped up, getula and lichanura on the move lower, all around my favorite sierra and look forward to many more visits-


Also, from the dude those snakes came from, he made good on. Been meaning to call you man if you see this,

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