Thanks for the responses. Yeah, two 08 males is what I've been fairly certain on, but one can hope right? Actually, with these guys it doesn't really bother me too much aside from the fact that it seems to be about the billionth time I've purchased a "pair" of something only to have it come up two males. Serves me right for being trusting and getting into less commonly worked with, harder to sex species. Breeding them some day will be nice since they're not that easy to find as captive bred, however my main reason for getting them was to use for teaching and outreach. It's nice to have native US species, and animals that aren't much drama with regards to temperament and transport temperature. I call them (and my hognoses) "gateway snakes". They're small, docile, slow moving, and cute...great to get people previously afraid of snakes to give them a chance. After falling in love with the rubber boas, it isn't too hard to get them to handle the bigger "scarier" species. Besides, rubbers are so interesting with regards to ecology and evolutionary lineage.

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