Thanks Joe for the kind comment. Bottom line for me is that I love Alterna. Locality or not. They are beautiful regardless whether or not i know where they came from. When the babies hatch i will sell or give them away as generics as I should. My 9 miles are from someone elses line not mentioned and i know this person is solid but because of this thread i've asked for lineage info anyways. I know one of the original adults is on the alterna page. The mate i don't know yet but working on it. I have a feeling some of the old OLD school guys went on trust and may have not kept great photo records. If i can't verify i guess i'm calling them generics too. As for the snakes and peoples lineage in question, i don't know so i won't comment. I do prefer locale specific animals but won't turn down any alterna. Even if they look like vader. Chris

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