Laila:
It has always been my understanding that a sports fishing license was needed to pursue and retain herps on a recreational basis. It just sounded odd when in your original post, you mentioned something about having to obtain a "fish/game permit" as if you were applying for some type of special permit when only a fishing license was needed.

I use to obtained 2-year non-resident scientific collecting permits in Calif. for my research on the species in that state. Then the level of incompetence in the permit division of CDFG rose to a higher standard and they no longer would issue a permit that was efficient and truly workable for the type of mark / recapture research I was trying to accomplish. So I have reverted to also obtaining a non-resident fishing licenses each year when I travel to Calif.

Where is Teheya, Washington?

The key to finding the species in basically grassland type habitat such as here in western Oregon, is to use artificial cover objects. Two years ago, some herpers took me to a couple of junky areas in the West Bay Area (Santa Cruz Mts.) and we came up with 16 boas in about 1 3/4 hours. We hit it just right as far as weather conditions. And we also observed gobs of garter snakes under the same 'junk', mostly roofing tins and plywood boards, along with racers, S. Alligator Lizards, etc.

I suspect that the same holds true for the East Bay region. In the 1990's, a herper took me to where he had found a large female boa in the hills behind Tilden. He had found the boa under a piece of plywood that was under the overhanging branches of a large live oak tree in otherwise open grassland and brush type habitat.

Richard F. Hoyer

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