yes.. f2 wc meant second generation from wild caught origins. they were the grandparents on the sire's side decades ago. ebv stands for east bay vivarium out in northern cal. ron huffaker use to be partners there b4 he branched out to rancho tortuga. it's to my understanding that seib/binnig and alot of lines originated from those founder animals decades ago. it's almost impossible to trace back animals to their wc origins in the 70's early 80's. many of the original breeders (allesandrini, ebv, etc..) no longer breed easterns any more. i really think the buyer's should know what the lineage of the animals were instead of just saying they were bred by so and so as there were only a few original sources to today's captive population. the interstate commerce permit requirement is also an inhbitory factor for movement of unrelated stock between states. and of course, there hasn't been any "legal" influx of unrelated genes in the past 3 decades. thank goodness i heard that a couple of people in this country are doing mitochondrial dna testing to assess relatedness of the animals.

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