Yes, before breeding colubrids was the norm. I am talking about back when you had to collect your own or buy wild caught. Hard to imagine, but few peopole were breeding colubrids until the late 1970's or early 1980's. Almost everything available was wild caught. We now know that black pines are pretty simple to breed. Indigos, not so easy. Also, eastern indigos are likely more common in the wild than black pines. Black pines have more restricted habitat, distribution and food source (pocket gophers). Indigos are more generalists in their habitat and food preferences. They will essentially eat anything they can get into their mouths. In terms of natural history, these are two very different snakes. Indigos are really just gigantic racers. All they have in common is being big and black (actually, black pines are more brown).

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