Yea they are awesome! There's just something about them that has had me since I caught my first bull that I kept. The kings ill always work with cuz that's how I started so they mean alot.... Bulls and pines always talk a good game but become kinda gentle giants so I take them to educational events that the reptile club I'm in puts on. I really want to keep vertebralis again I had one and sold her and kick myself once a day for doing that haha. I'm really starting to look into several gophers actually. I jus love em they are some lil spitfire animals alotta times very entertaining haha but on a serious note those Applegate albino san Diego gophers are just hard to beat. Gopher snakes produce sum morphs that are just as beautiful as ANY corn morph out there IMO

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