Yeah I will not be dealing with her again!!! I did notice the pics of nails on other sites and some of those torts nails were even longer than my torts are so I guess I am still in sulcata mode :0) I am going to try and wear down thier beaks naturally with the slate so they dont have to go through the drummel thing they are not as bad as I though now that I have looked up pics on other sites ,I will still keep my vet visit just to make sure they are healthy.I so hope they are I'd hate to try and deal with the vet bills from a sick tort again been there done that -not fun but I'll do it if need be~ thanks for the help again.... Erica

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