I agree both ways. I think it is a huge shame for these pancakes to be brought in this way. And I have under a good word that the major source of these is under investigation and hopefully this time something will come of it. I think if someone offers you these animals then says Ok I have to order them in etc blah blah blah stay away, but for the animals in the states I think purchasing them and starting different bloodlines wouldn't hurt. Especially after reading alot of these suppliers who swear to their "CB" status and why are they so clean and flat with '0' pyramiding? Oh because "they were kept in humid enclosures". If adults are kept in high humidity it will definitely lead to their demise, why do you think the breeders in FLA rarely keep them? So obviously they have no idea about how to keep them, so I would only assume they would be keeping them incorrectly until their iminent death. I own 11, 1.2 adults, 1.3 young adults and the rest are yearlings. All are CB and I am not ashamed to say these all have very minor pyramiding which is a good indication of true CB animals of this species, seeing the prices of these makes me look like a jack a$$ for spending what I did on mine, but at least I know mine are CB. As far as the smaller ones coming in I think it is one of 2 things. I think there were a good amount of true cb babies produced and before the flood came in they had word of the aminals set to land here and got rid of them to make some sort of cash before the adults came in cheaper. But if they were illegally smuggled in you can get all sizes. Hopefully my adults who hump every night will produce some nice babies this year. AND I WILL GAURANTEE CB animals.

BTW Will the turtle is doing awesome, you know which one, and hopefully some proof will be in the making VERY SOON!

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