Todd, Yeah, these are one of the most common and prolific snakes in our area for sure. That is one of the things about them that is so interesting to me. Also, their tendency to get huge, and I agree that there are some six footers out there. I have seen a few definately over 5.5 ft. I saw one huge DOR fairly recently down in Kingsville. It was so big that I thought it was a bullsnake, until I got a closer look. I know that one was over 5.5 ft and wish I'd had a camera and a measuring tape with me. Also saw a DOR 4 footer in front of Moore Plaza recently. That had to have been a tough and smart snake to survive to that size in that area.

-Toby

ps. Here's a yearling from my neighborhood.

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