from Texas and Az. were different subs. I was just using the point that there was far more difference between Az. and Texas molossus than there was between "atricaudatus" and northern horridus populations, yet nobody disagreed with the taxonomy of molossus. The DNA stuff is very recent.I do tend to agree with it however, also agree with the placing of basiliscus and totonacus into molossus ( now I have said these two are actually just coastal molossus for the past 25 years, the intergrade zones with both nominate molossus and nigrescens all along the mid-elevations of the Sierras is immense) and the sinking of oaxacus into nigrescens. Of course it is all just in the begining stages and much could change with future sampling.

As for the differences, Az. molossus and Texas molossus have completely different pattern types which are very obvious when seen side by side. When they are side by side in the same cage one can also see that Texas molossus have a much shorter rounded snout and Az. snakes have a longer pointed snout.

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• Question on the Timber/Canebrake thing ~ - Tektum, Tue Nov 14 22:24:37 2006
• They are the same thing in my book... - Rich G.cascabel, Thu Nov 16 10:56:09 2006
• RE: They are the same thing in my book... - Tektum, Thu Nov 16 11:15:32 2006
• I never did suggest that molossus ... - Rich G.cascabel, Sat Dec 9 14:31:53 2006
• RE: They are the same thing in my book... - evil-elvis, Fri Nov 17 20:21:35 2006
• That's interesting.... - chris jones, Sat Dec 9 07:11:02 2006