im sorry but as a lumper i dont buy into p.m.lodingi as a valid ssp. imho they are just melanistic variants of northerns so crossing the 2 would be fairly predictable some would have more melanin some wouldnt but it wouldnt make just the saddles more black. like w/obseleta cross a tx.rat w/a blackrat...samething
now the what you call "pileoffeces" pit crosses i did, i did to see if my theory was correct about p.m.ruthveni which btw they were/are.
the problem i have w/splitters is some variants are reffered to by some as their own ssp. and to cross them is evil when nothing more could be further from the truth imho a genus cant "hybridize" within itself, intergradation happens its how imho the ssp.came to be. alot of folks dissagree with that. to them i say "whatever" to each his/her own. i also say have fun snakes removed from the wild are DEAD to nature. keeping natural lines may be somes cupOtea but sooner or later they must realize there really is no point other than ones preferance which is admirable,but really...thats all it is ones preferance imho.
im also amazed at the paranoia that runs rampant w/the splitters like natural lines will be lost forever...forever gone,ruined,tainted its just silly imho take a true hybrid cross of genus' like cornXking breed the resulting offspring to either parent genus and guess what after a few generations one is pushed out completely it doesnt magically showup generations later its gone and about the piss&beer scenario living animals are not liquid and to suggest such shows their mentality,,,,,,,thomas davis
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• WHAT WILL MY BABIES LOOK LIKE?... - mrreptiles, Sun Jun 10 17:56:58 2007
• Even from someone who likes Hybrids... - Nokturnel Tom, Tue Jun 12 14:30:57 2007
• RE: Even from someone who likes Hybrids... - adamjeffery, Tue Jun 12 19:56:16 2007
• mean? - sean1976, Tue Jun 12 20:06:10 2007
• RE: mean? - mrreptiles, Thu Jun 14 01:29:53 2007
• RE: mean? - Nokturnel Tom, Thu Jun 14 12:03:18 2007
• RE: mean? - adamjeffery, Fri Jun 15 22:26:12 2007
• RE: mean? - sean1976, Sat Jun 16 16:21:46 2007
• I AGREE 100 percent... - FRoberts, Sat Jun 16 12:10:08 2007
• Does anyone know if the albino is - FRoberts, Sat Jun 16 13:44:28 2007
• Well... - sean1976, Sat Jun 16 15:27:44 2007
• looks distinct to me... - FRoberts, Sat Jun 16 15:32:41 2007
• also I must mention... - FRoberts, Sat Jun 16 15:38:46 2007
• correction, I have seen 1 worth ... - FRoberts, Sat Jun 16 15:41:57 2007
• THANKS - mrreptiles, Sun Jun 17 18:56:30 2007
• it never ceases to amaze me... - thomas davis, Tue Jun 19 16:44:31 2007
• whatever dude... - FRoberts, Tue Jun 19 16:58:07 2007
• hahaha.... - thomas davis, Tue Jun 19 20:02:17 2007
• pines and bulls are different - FRoberts, Tue Jun 19 20:10:06 2007
• whatever frank... - thomas davis, Tue Jun 19 20:38:10 2007
• BTW the pit cross sean1976 posted - FRoberts, Tue Jun 19 20:33:34 2007
• RE: BTW the pit cross sean1976 posted - thomas davis, Tue Jun 19 23:30:02 2007
• RE: BTW the pit cross sean1976 posted - FRoberts, Tue Jun 19 23:54:07 2007
• also... - FRoberts, Wed Jun 20 00:13:16 2007
• article given to me by.. - FRoberts, Wed Jun 20 00:14:49 2007
• RE: article given to me by.. - thomas davis, Wed Jun 20 10:23:51 2007
• I think there will always be both - FRoberts, Wed Jun 20 10:41:01 2007
• no worries.... - thomas davis, Wed Jun 20 16:52:56 2007
• very valid point... - FRoberts, Fri Jun 22 23:10:58 2007
• your right your pine/bull looks better - FRoberts, Tue Jun 19 17:05:07 2007
• I KNOW WHAT MY BABIES LOOK LIKE.... - mrreptiles, Fri Jul 27 16:18:54 2007
• yes i know.. - FRoberts, Fri Jul 27 16:24:41 2007
• RE: yes i know.. - mrreptiles, Sun Jul 29 16:38:01 2007
• RE: yes i know.. - FRoberts, Sun Jul 29 16:41:22 2007