Hey Terry,
When looking at an animal...what is it that you look for to distinguish if it is a LA Pine or hybrid? I would think that it would be difficult, and you mention you just give your opinion. In an earlier thread for example you mentioned how some NC Pines that you saw in the field could pass for LA Pines. Also, all the races of Pines vary so much, even within rather localized population or even within a single clutch, it seems that LA Pines would to. In fact I remember seeing some field shots recently of some LA Pines( may have been on this forum or another) that looked very different from others that I have seen. I hear people say "that doesn't look like a LA Pine" as someone did in an above post but I would say ...what does a LA Pine supposed to look like because must vary alot like any other Pine population. John may have made a good but unforutnate point on all this...what a mess. People have taken advantage of the ambiguous id of this species and have made a mess of it all. I see your point in being disgusted concerning the status of these guys in the public reptile breeding world.

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