Hey Scott,

Part of my answer to your question is in my post just before this one. When I said that the brown northerns from Scotland County looked "just like ruthveni", I should have said that both Bob and I were somewhat startled when we first saw them.

I had a pair of eight footers from that locale that were the most clean b & w northerns I had (have) ever seen. When we had the opportunity to actually travel to the spot the original gravid female was collected, the first two snakes (DORs) looked remarkably like our ruthveni. Upon examination it was immediately clear that they were northerns; just *brown* northerns. It was the overall hue that fooled us momentarily.

Not much help I know.

Cheers,

TV

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