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RE: thanks for the clarification guys N/P

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Posted by: KevinM at Mon Dec 27 10:41:37 2010   [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by KevinM ]  
   

Sonya, look at RossCA's post below to see a map of the current ranges meansi and meansi/easterns are supposedly located today. At one time, snakes found in the entire dark and light green areas were known as "goini" or Appalachicola kings/blotched kings. At one point, the subspecies designation of goini was questioned and those snakes in that entire area were considered by some to be integrades of florida and eastern kings. Then, newer studies indicated there were some animals in the overall area that are actually subspecies and these animals became the meansi of today. Meansi are supposedly located only in the dark green area. The animals outside the dark green area and located in the light green area are considered to be just integrades of meansi and surrounding eastern king populations. Basically, these integrades probably arent even refered to as "goini" by these scientists.

Also if I understand correctly, the true meansi can be differentiated from these integrades or "goini" by having more lighter coloration in the dark areas of their patterns and produce striped and patternless animals. However, I think even the animals considered integrades can produce striped individual, and meansi can produce blotched individuals.

Back in the day when all the snakes from the dark green and light green areas were lumped together and called goini, both these supposedly true meansi and supposedly integrade animals came into the hobby and breeding colonies as "crappy" and "good" examples of goini. Some breeders strove to produce the patternless or striped variant with higher yellow coloration, or brighter coloration in general. So, the integrades and meansi were probably mixed back then based on availability. True meansi as understood today probably did not last long in the hobby IMO due to this breeding of "crappy" and "good" animals that were available. Also as Jeff pointed out in earlier posts, several of these Appalachicola or Blotched kings available on the market today are probably byproducts of morph making and have floridana and eastern mixed into the integrade/goini or meansi bloodlines.

I am sure you could find true meansi if you can find a breeder who has kept the locality lineage of his "Appalachicola" kings limited to the now defined range of meansi. I am sure you can also find animals that are pure lineage from the dark and light green ranges, but these would be considered integrades.


   

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