Yeah, it seems like pics I've seen of adults looked about as girthy as adult bullsnakes - good comparison there. That would be a "heavy-bodied" ratsnake IMO, although as you said not thick like pythons or boas. I know what you mean on conflicting info on adult size, but seems like I've heard they can get pretty big - for a ratsnake.



They seem like an interesting species to me - one reason being they are one of the species still considered Elaphe, and (to my knowledge) there have not been any new proposals to move them into different genera. Another interesting thing IMO is their semi-elliptical pupils - interesting for a ratsnake.



I have kept a few Old World species, and two are also still considered Elaphe; Elaphe dione and Elaphe bimaculata. Both are very interesting species, but with very different temperaments - in my experience. I have found most dione to be very mellow and inquisitive while most of the bimaculata I have kept have been flighty, musky, and sometimes nippy. I wonder how carinata compares to those two species, as far as handling...
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Southwestern Center for Herpetological Research

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