I agree with you that they are an intergrade and have thought this way for a long time... they are not all sayi... but have too much affinis look to be just one subspecies... anyway.. they are an awsome looking intergrade and well worth keeping and breeding!
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BULLS: female- KS, KINGS: Pr. Black Eastern (L.g.nigra: F-Todd Co. KY, M- Dekalb Co. AL), Pr. Charlotte, NC Eastern Chains (M- Union Co. & F- Mecklenburg Co.), Pr. Speckled- Harris Co. TX, PINES: Pr. Louisiana (pure descendants of Terry Vandeventer stock), RATS: Pr Black- Henderson Co. NC, OTHER STUFF: Orchid plants 90(Cattleya spiecies and hybrids & Slippers mostly), 30 assorted tropical plants, 12 Freshwater Planted Aquariums with West African Dwarf & Riverine, Tanganikan, South American & Discus-Cichlids and 2 condo-porch gardens with Bonsai, Waterlilies, Roses and more.

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