Ive been looking into it more and I believe a patternless northern has been found and bred. All the pictures I have seen with patternless northerns show a much browner animal than the greyish looking patternless southerns. Its too bad that some breeders have to create so much confusion for the sake of making a couple extra bucks. While looking into this I ran across numerous links to people breeding every possible pit combination. Northerns to cape gophers, bulls to southerns, etc. I guess its my opinion that if they identify exactly what the animal is and not try to deceive someone then it doesnt really bother me too much. Many species of pits have overlapping ranges and integration is somewhat common it seems. But sooner or later the ID will be lost and someone will think they have a pure southern and breed its combination genes in with what is labeled pure thus allowing someones pet project to run wild throughout the hobby.

I took a chance and bought a patternless het amel northern and just got him and a couple normals het patternless/amel yesterday. Absolutely gorgeous. Thanks Ryan!!!

Here's a couple more links I ran across. Nothing really credible, just people talking, but there's really not much out there it seems.

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=916215,916215&show_threads=2

http://forums.kingsnake.com/viewarch.php?id=1446852,1448218&key=2007

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