Actually Billy most of the snakes I know tend to lay under the box. They don't like tall ceilings and nobody told them what a "lay box" is. So they don't know they are supposed to do with a lay-box. So since most want to secure their eggs and "nest" they either throw their eggs 10 days after shed or crawl between the plastic bottom and Tupperware box and lay their.

IF THAT DOES NOT TELL THE KEEPER SOMETHING IS WRONG, THEN I WOULD NOT LISTEN TO THEM DOING THINGS THE SAME WAY OVER AND OVER AGAIN!

Basically what FR and I are saying is to use your head a little and let the snakes tell you what they want instead of so many "so called" professionals. Remember these folks built their snakes rooms around the premise that snakes on need one temperature (85) and they copied the methods from 30 years ago and they don't get the same success from breeding as myself and others do who listen to the snakes and give the snakes as many choices inside of a box as possible.

I get 3 clutches per year out of my colubrids.. Big breeders who have the rooms set up with 10 employees like BHB enterprises who get maybe one clutch per year.

There are always better ways to doing something. And that is the point of our discussions which opposes some people who have been doing things ONE WAY for way too long.
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"I guess newbies cannot understand, those who build the foundation, are not the ones with great opportunity. Those who buy the latest generations, have the greatest opportunity to create new morphs. "

Frank Retes

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