right,no debating those facts....btw in my previous post i did get a couple facts wrong,the mtdna was concerning canebrakes from fla. compared to a northerly state which escapes me at the moment;and the south jersey ones were most closely related to the north jersey montane ones.....but my point in general was that if you're gonna sink atricaudatus into h. horridus,then how the hell can you justify all those other n.a. snake subsp.?....you can't,obviously.snake taxonomy is very inconsistent the way it stands currently.
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"with head raised regally,and gazing at me with lidless eyes,he seemed to question with flicks of his long forked tongue my right to trespass on his territory" Carl Kauffeld

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