"Did you cuss me after going through all that for nothing? ("Dang, stupid, hillbilly!" Ha! Ha!"

:P Nah, I welcome all suggestions, and am thankful of you & others on here for providing them. I'll also try the soap thing again. Just because it didn't work this time doesn't mean it wouldn't another.

"I tip my hat to you! Laura, who posted further down in this thread has shown the same tenacity with the burm she mentioned."

I read her post, and took that to heart. I'll be keeping that in mind while I work with this guy, & I'll keep trying. He hasn't taken the frozen after a live meal set up, but I have not tried getting it in there right against the freshly killed rats back end as he swallowed. Thankfully I don't have to worry about tossing uneaten prey around here, I have enough other hungry carnivorous animals where nothing ever goes to waste if a snake refuses to eat.

"I don't know if the high temp you mentioned was a typo or not but I'd keep the hot end at 92°."

No, not a typo. I had it HOT under the basking site to do exactly what you are suggesting, figuring if he wanted to utilize the temps, they were there for him. I've since dropped the basking temp back (94) after reading your post, but he still really doesn't make use of it. Humidity is nice and high, (he is housed on cypress) and he is always provided with a large water bowl as well.

"Please keep us posted this. In your trial & efforts you may even come up with an unheard of way to get him switched over & give us all something else to put in our bag of tricks."

Will do. I'll make a gleeful *It worked!* post if he ever decides to make the switch for me. So far he is still holding out and has passed up frozen again, but this time I am going to not offer freshly killed for a while and see what happens.

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