First, tell lies about you. Not hardly, I never talk about you. Only met you once maybe twice, cannot remember. I only repeat what I read or was told or what you posted. That cannot be considered lies, it very well can be mis-information. But lies. How wonderful of you.

About crayfish, that's the only time you chine in and war with me. Results are great, but I got them too and far far far more. But that is not about this conversation.

In this conversation, we totally agree and this is what we should do, not fight about nonsense and water bugs.

Its not about who said what/who in history or any academic literature. As you said, it has failed to trickle down to the keepers of thousands of reptiles and monitors. I have spewed on and on about homes/shelters/security, since 1991. Yet we lose out to the pet product marketers with full page advertising.

I have tried in about 8000000000000000 different ways. And yet, failed.

So what kind of hide(?????????????) do you use? I just don't get it, what in the heck does a hide have to do with any reptile. Best wishes

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