When I think bond, I think mammals. Its hard for me to apply that word to reptiles, because they do not bond like we do. NOT saying they don't bond, I see how they thrive in each others company, and how they form habits and routines together and what not. So why I would like to give it a try with my kings. Its just going to take me some time to get used to the whole bond thing, and if I see it with my kings, I know I will be comfortable with it.

And give me a break, you guys just dumped ALOT of info on me, I am still trying to read it all and go back and read the ones i missed.(missed a few lol) I lost my job recently, so I am focusing on my snakes. I haven't been on the king snake forums in a long time.



And I should have went into more detail about how I brumate. Got a daughter that keeps me pretty distracted haha. I wait until they give me the indication that they want to brumate. For example, they are usually out and about exploring, especially when they are hungry. They go through a phase of crazy appetite, and then they start to hide after that, and rarely come out. This is when I lower the temps. But I have noticed, like you said, they do come out sometimes while they brumate, and on those days I usually give them a heat source, and remove it when they are done. But I like the way that you do it, with a range. I think I will try that. That being said, some years they they stay active, so I keep the options of heat and just make things a little cooler. Most years this is what happens. I act on their cues. Sometimes it trial and error, I don't speak snake, but I am learning

And with their brains, I do not trust science either. I was heart broken as a child when people kept telling me that they are stupid and emotionless. And when I got my first snake, a king, I realized this was not the case. But I also realized they are VERY different from us, or mammals in there thinking, so why people think they are stupid. They are not, most just dont understand them.

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