Heres the deal, your not interested with what actual snake populations are doing, you only want to play silly games. See FR will not change his mind, etc. Which is super stupid, I would if you or anyone could prove your point. As it is, its saying the same thing only one allows the understanding of what snakes are. The other intergrades, is only a method to call a inbetween pattern and nothing to do with kingsnakes.

You mentioned you do not like or see any value in MTdna work. Which really tells where your understanding is. The reality is, the snakes in nature are exactly the same, no matter what we call them, It doesn't matter if anyone changes their scientific name 100 times. They are what they are, and will change to what they will evolve to, not matter what we think or call them.

In this entire thread, you did not mention one thing about the snakes, not from personal experience or from what you read. All you want is to argue. Truth is, that would be fun, but you indeed must have a point to argue, then support that point. Which you don't. All you know how to do is call folks names. And that is what you care about, you do so in some odd notion that it will make you substantial. And it could, if you only offered something important about the snakes. As it is, your only acting stupid.

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