Not even considering how the animals got there, or if God himself put them there.

Hubbs admits it may have been ten thousand or more years since they possibly intergraded and since that time, have not intergrades. Sir brings up many things, like what where they ten thousand years ago? and why did Hubbs pick that number? As before they evolved into different pattern types, they were one type snake.

Also his theory dimisses selection pressures when it comes to color and pattern and that is wrong, totally wrong. We know selection pressures are highly envolved in color and pattern.

This type problem has been solved before. With alterna and Blairs, they were different subspecies until that fella at UofA, collected a gravid female that had both types. Or when Banded kings were Boyles kings, and striped kings were striped kings. Then they discovered a banded could have both types, and so could a striped. So back to one type. I have to ask, why don't we call aberrant kings intergrades???? They are no different then the situation here. A Black king here is the striped version of Splendida, and the tweeners are in some areas, much like aberrants are in SoCal.

I asked Hubbs about scale counts, if I remember correctly, there was some manner of cline. He said, Huh?

So we are back here where there is no evidence of recent or current intergration. The animals are physically exactly the same. Some ares have mostly one type, other areas, have another, and to some degree, all areas have aberrants, with some areas having them more commonly. What is easy to see, it can be directly related to habitat type. Grasslands, have splendida, arid desert, banded, wetlands have the dark animals of both, and in a few places its extreme to a point of melanism. With aberrants in unstable habitat. The key is, these animals have no physical differences what so ever. To you two, Its all about religion. end pt 1

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