Less clarify, its not a big deal, But as time goes by and we learn more about how these animals work. Its important to understand what is occurring with color and pattern. Particularly with the use of molecular work. Which seems to be our future.

This thread got out of hand and only because, Joe Attacked me and others instead of having conversation. He defends Hubbs as if it was gospel. So it gets extreme. People and Hubbs can use whatever term suits them. Intergrade works for captivity. Something between two other things. Intergrade assumes all in that area are inbetween the two major types. Intermediate, describes a pattern, that's between two types. Whats important is, in those locals of concern, there are all manner of pattern and color types. Some of those patterns are not like those two major types at all.

Two major concerns, kings occur in isolated populations geneflow between different populations is rare, and between other major types like cal kings or desert kings, is not occurring.

Next I hoped we could talk about how kings work, their ethology. They occur in colonies and consume any snake outside their colony, even other kings. Next, its the drop of oil in the ocean. If you dropped a Banded king in an area of Desert kings and they did not consume it, its genetic material would disappear almost immediately. I have produced crosses and fully understand if you back breed a cross to original parents, they return to normal in a couple generations. So to think intergrades would last a couple thousand years, is odd.

Lastly there is no credit given to natural selection. Which is the key to color and pattern. Zero influence is given to this by Hubbs approach. I ask, what about natural selection? Anyway, its all in fun

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