It was in the 1980s, in my 20s, but I also remember those canyons well. At the time, I had a Rocky Mountain bias (raised in ID & MT), so it took me a while to appreciate what the chaparral biome had to offer.

I hope that many of those places were preserved, along with San Mateo canyon.

I enjoyed your story about Brian Hubbs and his visits. You are lucky to be in the same area and share the hobby. I know few herpers here, and none who actively hike the outdoors, so I can't share the camaraderie with two such herper Old Ones. I'd love to join you some lazy Sunday afternoon to share stories of the road.

Say hello to Brian when you next see him! (;

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