Why would they be different sub-species if they were the same snake? ...

splitters is why. just like they tried to say stripe cali, and banded cali are/were individual ssp. taxonimist trying to justify field work and grants its really sad and very narrow minded imho.

also to say in 8yrs.calkings will have a new look and funky will be to blame is is weak man. if you really beleive that that amel calking and mbk are THAT differant so as to "muddy" the water you are really nieve, how many years have calkings been bred in the hobby? do you really think this cross hasnt been done 8,10,20 years ago? anyone can take those f1's line breed them to either parent ssp. and within a few generations nobody would no the differance not even a diehard purist(how do you think amel floridana came to be?) so that definitively shows how closely related they(caliXmbk) are imho. intergradation between ssp. happens and caliXmbk ranges do cross so come on these are by no means frankensnakes.

what amazes me w/purist is WHY does it matter??? cbb snakes are dead to nature so wtf does it really matter what we breed pure or not? it is destined to a life in a box for our enjoyment/pleasure. and please dont say what about wild lines being tainted from escapes or releases, im sure those would be consumed/absorbed but it is the weakest of all reasons ive heard from purist. whats really funny is through captive hybrid breedings we are now seeing how closely related all ssp.&sp. really are. breed a snake to a snake and you'll get alot of lil snakes,,,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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