return to main index

  mobile - desktop
follow us on facebook follow us on twitter follow us on YouTube link to us on LinkedIn
International Reptile Conservation Foundation  
click here for Rodent Pro
This Space Available
3 months for $50.00
Locate a business by name: click to list your business
search the classifieds. buy an account
events by zip code list an event
Search the forums             Search in:
News & Events: Herp Photo of the Day: Fox Snake . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Lacerta . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Tokay Gecko . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Happy Rattlesnake Friday! . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Crocodile . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Beauty Snakes . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Turtle . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Turtle . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Happy Rattlesnake Friday! . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Water Dragon . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Gecko . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Corn Snake . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Ball Python . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Happy Rattlesnake Friday! . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Ball Python . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Skink . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Bearded Dragon . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Short Tail Python . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Happy Rattlesnake Friday! . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Fire Belly Snake . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Green Tree Python . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Turtle . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Boa . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Happy Rattlesnake Friday! . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Pine Snake . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Kingsnake . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Skink . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Boelen's Python . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Happy Rattlesnake Friday! . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Gecko . . . . . . . . . .  St. Louis Herpetological Society - Sept 14, 2025 . . . . . . . . . .  San Diego Herp Society Meeting - Sept 16, 2025 . . . . . . . . . .  Colorado Herp Society Meeting - Sept 20, 2025 . . . . . . . . . .  Chicago Herpetological Society Meeting - Sept 21, 2025 . . . . . . . . . .  Bay Area Herpetological Society Meeting - Sep 26, 2025 . . . . . . . . . .  Suncoast Herp Society Meeting - Sept 27, 2025 . . . . . . . . . .  Suncoast Herp Society Meeting - Sept 27, 2025 . . . . . . . . . .  DFW Herp Society Meeting - Sep 27, 2025 . . . . . . . . . .  Tucson Herpetological Society Meeting - Sept 29, 2025 . . . . . . . . . .  Greater Cincinnati Herp Society Meeting - Oct 01, 2025 . . . . . . . . . . 

RE: What is Biology to you Frank?

[ Login ] [ User Prefs ] [ Search Forums ] [ Back to Main Page ] [ Back to Kingsnake Forum ]

Posted by: FR at Tue Feb 17 09:48:17 2009   [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by FR ]  
   

Look at your post, its about your restrictions, we cannot do this become of time, and money, etc etc etc. Those restrictions have nothing to do with snake behavior. They are human restrictions.

In our case, we can do longterm studies, because we are truly interested in the animals and do this on OUR OWN DIME. Do yes, decades of information surpasses, a couple of months of funded study, that must be done in a hurry. And over time, we learned that these animals have many stradgies that are utilized for different conditions. Which means you extrapolating what one individual does in a limited amount of time, is useless for understanding behavior. A question for you sir, whats more important biologically, what behavior is utilized in good times(normal) or what behavior is utilized during stressful times? answer please. Ok, i will answer for you, its far more important to understand how they overcome stressful times, as that is how they prevent extinstion. Which is a big reason we study them, is it not?

Radio tagging is useless. You learn very little, but you learn it quickly. Bio 1 teachs of a basic behavior, fight or flight. You breach an animals natural behavior and they take flight. That is so easily proven, its laughable. But because you believe in your methods, your blind to ethology. You simply cannot take a snake out of its enviornment, do surgery, install a radio, with an antenna sticking out(in some cases) and return said animal back to where you found it and think its going to resume what it was doing. Sir, that type of thinking is naive and narsisistic(all about humans).

You see, I have worked with many methods and actually compared them to eachother. Non interference, NOT TOUCHING THEM, does not interfere or change their behavior. Pit tagging without removing them from spot of original contact, causes 65% to take flight. Radio tagging, causes them to take flight, Period. and why would it not? What radio tagging does is effectively turning a resident animal into a transient animal. But you do not even recognize that do you??????

I have nothing agains radio tagging, AS LONG AS YOU LABEL the information, data obtained with a radio physically installed in a small animal. Then followed by the thing that installed it. That data is not the same as what the animal would have done if it was not collected and had surgery done.

What is science to me. Its all about asking questions and recieving results. In this case, SCIENCE demands that you consider what removing an animal from its enviornment and installing a radio, ACTUALLY DOES, to the animals, not to your time limits and budjet. From conversations with you, you deny behavior, your not sensitive to ethology. Your a mechanic. Which is fine, so why do you talk about behavior when you deny they have any????? Go back to your training, be a biologist and stop screwing with behavior.

In the end Jeff, what good has your radio tagged information ACTUALLY DONE? Did you learn anything? Did you find important information? Did you repeatedly find reproductive events? Did you repeatedly find social events? Did you see all the basic life events these animals MUST DO. Did you find information that you can repeat in the lab?????? No offense sir, what is science to YOU. Cheers


   

[ Show Entire Thread ]


>> Next Message:  Answer the question Frank - Jeff Schofield, Tue Feb 17 10:00:59 2009

<< Previous Message:  What is Biology to you Frank? - Jeff Schofield, Mon Feb 16 23:59:49 2009