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at Wed Feb 25 08:27:35 2009 [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by FR ]
I do not have any kingsnake or colubrid setups at this time. I do have a few snakes, not many. And yes, they breed and do well.
I kept kings for many years, Then moved on to pythons, then varanids. I also keep and have kept other reptiles as well.
Last year, I bred, kings, greenrats, turtles, torts, and several varanid species.
When I moved into varanids, I kept and bred them in snake cages, Now I keep snakes in varanid cages, hahahahahahaha.
Only recently, and because kings were given to me, have I returned to keeping a few kings. In fact, a friend would buy kings, raise them up, and ask me to breed them. So thats what I did and am doing. Althought, a few weeks back, I did purchase a Black king, and two alternas. So I guess I am hooked AGAIN, and will have to make some nice setups.
But how I keep them is not the point, NO matter how they are kept, we can still offer choices. And that is what I find odd with some folks here.
Many here are not keepers, but instead model builders or something, They only know how to follow instructions. You know, a recipe. Which is what I find odd. We were MORE advanced, thirty years ago.
For those who are having great success, good on you. But like today(newly posted problem), there are still so many here that are having REAL BASIC husbandry problems. Like a post above, my healthy kings died today and I kept them perfectly. The absolute truth is, healthy snakes(reptiles) do not die. Of course, they can be killed when healthy. But to just die?? that means, they WERE NOT, healthy or kept in good conditions. OR, they would not be dead. Sick snakes die, healthy snakes are murdered. And yes, us keepers can murder snakes, we can also cause them to become sick and die. But healthy snakes dying is something that should be questioned.
It appears to me that many here do not give a flying ground squirrel(get it, flying GROUND squirrel, hahahahahaha) about the snakes, but are specialists in following recipes. They ask about the recipes and if they follow it, then who cares about the snake. As the post above indicated. The truth and reality is, ITS NEVER ABOUT THE RECIPE(directions) ITS ALWAYS ABOUT THE SNAKE. The snake is the living creature with actual wants and needs, the recipe is suppose to support the living creature. Not tell the living creature what its suppose to do or want.
As in, if the snake does not follow the recipe, change the snake, not change the recipe. This bothers the crap out of me and is very disrepectful to the living creatures. The recipe is suppose to change to fit the snake, not the other way around.
So, all I am doing here is offering a window into what these snakes actually are. And offer for your consideration, that the snakes are the subject of our attention, NOT THE RECIPE.
That is what the novices should learn first. Not 84.2332677854500674F, in the summer, and 54.678048573764567483F in the winter.
In fact, the cages have nothing to do with this. These folks need to understand that the animal has needs and HAS ABILITIES. If you just allow the kings to be, low and behold, KINGS.
If supported they will function successfully with very little for the keeper to do. After all, they have been doing what they do, since long before man was a monkey(or came to earth)(or was put here by god)(pick your own god) And they have been doing what they do, VERY WELL, and all without us. So how did they do so well?
One primitive thought, I know of no where where snakes occur, where there is one temp in the summer,84F, and one temp in the winter, 55F. Everywhere they occur, has temps ABOVE and BELOW, what they utilize, and the snakes utilize the enviornment, to obtain the temps they need. As reptiles, THEY UTILIZE A RANGE OF TEMPS, not a single temp.
The answer to your questionThe truth is, you can allow or support a range in anything from a trashcan to a sweater box, to a snake cage. The type of cage will restrict how well you can support what the snakes need. But a range can be offered in any type of cage.
With kingsnakes, many here use cages that are out of context, that is, they are a picture from the surface of the ground up. Like a postcard or something. When the reality is, kingsnakes LIVE from the surface of the ground down. A thought, over the entire range of kings, at any time of year, or on any day of the year, or any time of the day, over 90% of all kings in their entire range will be UNDERGROUND.
Again, just silly thoughts. But sir, its about understanding the snakes first, then its very easy to deal with the cages.
U C, if I posted pics, those that are recipe followers, would simply mindlessly follow. Its much better to understand, then follow. Cheers
So yes, everyday here, there are people having problems that were conquered thirty years ago. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm for an old guy, that is very disappointing. Cheers
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RE: Heres the problem - FR, Wed Feb 25 08:27:35 2009
