OK,FR, I am going to try and interpret this....its not easy, if someone speaks "FR" correct me if I am wrong...



Sorry Jeff, but there is something loose in your head. We cannot mimic nature you say, hahahahahahahaha



FR-We will see who laughs----



There is no need to mimic nature, what your suppose to mimic is the conditions that support their success in nature.



FR-I think you meant to say "there is no need to mimic nature, what you are supposed to mimic are the conditions that support the animal's success". I think you took my half sentence out of context from someone else's thread, please quote the whole thing before you pass judgement.



(your suppose to avoid conditions that lead to failure, nature or otherwise) We are very basic conditions. From temp choices and humidity choices, as these are reptiles, too a basic prey type.



FR- I think you mean"You are supposed to avoid conditions that lead to failure"--nature or otherwise makes no sense."We are basic conditions"????? The rest of this is gibberish. "Too a basic prey type"???? You gotta help me out with the English here.



Then if you have some ability, you can support some basic behavior that these animals exhibit.



FR-I have NO IDEA what you mean by "support some basic bahavior", this makes NO SENSE in this context. Sounds like you were trying to be tricky with English and got caught up somewhere. Or simply trying to be condesceding again.



You can also support basic life events. That is, a life cycle.

From egg to egg, so to speak.



FR-I think what you are saying is that "if you keep animals well then they reproduce"--but I could be wrong,lol. Still trying to put it all together to try and see the point you are trying to make.



Again you can support all manner of natural behaviors.



FR-HUH???? What does THAT mean??LMAO!!



Hmmmmmmmmm As a biologist you must consider, all their behaviors are natural, want to discuss that one? Cheers



FR-Glad to, it has nothing to do with me being a biologist, nothing in this thread does-why bring it up?? All their behaviors in captivity IS NOT natural, if you think it is YOU are making an interpretation of an event....and therefore BIAS. Behavior in NATURE is NATURAL BEHAVIOR, behavior in captivity is CAPTIVE behavior. One could easily argue that NATURAL behavior isnt the ideal for those of us that want to KEEP(not study)reptiles, that CAPTIVE behavior can in fact IMPROVE immune systems as well as other physiological systems. Yes, this is open to interpretation as well.

As we keep reptiles generation after generation we CHANGE them, there is no getting around that. We can change their life cycles by changing the temp/humidity....there is NOTHING NATURAL about that. And because we CAN do this does not mean that the animal is somehow "programmed" to do this. Each generation, shoot each SEASON we can adjust conditions, and with every changed event the "natural" behavior becomes less and less.

MY POINT, not that you cared for it, was that you "cant see the forest for the trees". You keep animals that are CB several generations, and you are examining behavior daily. You interpret this behavior well, and are successful keeping and breeding. Guess what?? I also keep the same animals, I do it MY way(without worrying about individual behavior), and guess what?!?! I am successful keeping and breeding as well! What does this mean??

1-there are LOTS of ways to keep and breed

2-individual behavior isnt all that important-manage conditions

3-you are trying to make a point and I have no idea what that is

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