>>Rainer, I'm in opposition with your thought of "all the time", at this time!

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>> As i have said before i worked with hybrid crosses for many years. i doid lots of experiments and have seen first hand how backcrossing resembles one or the other spp after just a couple time. irregardless of what others say here it is not recogzable. I don't know if folks can grasp this,, but why would somebody DNA test a group of hybrids? I mean, that's what they are. It will come back as pure as from the original test groups registered as pure.

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>>While others here have not taken notice of hybridization in the wild , I HAVE. It is just the topic of the week. But if people payed more attention they would see this does happen all the time. Paying attntion to this topic in other forums and from field collecting sites it is quite obvious. What happens to these wild hybrid morphs?? ..they absord into one or the other. But to play along with the purist mentality , if a snake was originally a hybrid then it will still be one to the 1000,0000,0000 degree. No matter how washed out it gets.No matter how outbred it is over the next 200 years.... WOW! Contradiction all over the place.

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>>Another thing. It is proven that recessive traits are allelic with species that would never cross paths in the wild because of their geographic range. That means these snakes all came fom the same thing at one time. They are related to the point of carring heterozygous genes from one end of the nation to the other.

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>>It does not take that long for the snake to change appearance in the wild. To cange its location or adapt to other stresses that the natural environment give it. Just like sand beach breaks, rivers, habitat and climate changes and other things that changed afater 50 years of what i witnessed in my life of field ollecting, surfing, hiking etc. i have mentally noted many physcial appearances in snakes from areas i have collected since i was a kid. The snakes are in constant change.

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>>"Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".

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>>"They that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin





Rainer, some very interesting thoughts there. I'm not sure this is the time or place for a full blown discussion, but I'd like to make one point anyway. While there are some natural hybrids in the wild, it is not a common thing. I see kingsnakes and gopher snakes all the time and they are not cross breeding. A generic hybrid would not be at all common, and I believe would have to come under some kind of artificial or stressful conditions. A hybrid bt two closely related species of the same genus would be more likely to occur where the two species meet. However, I do agree with some of the things you're talking about and the discussion about the genetics could prove very enlightening.



Holiday cheers...TC








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