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RE: Snow, Ghost Pyro?

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Posted by: jeph at Thu Feb 11 01:46:51 2010   [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by jeph ]  
   

The ingedients is there for all to happen. The hybino-(which is a BHB hypo, as the BHB hypo and albino popped out of the same double het normal parents) anyone who knows about the black gap alterna where the hypo and anery. popped out of the same line, it is very close.



The hybino mentioned, as of now we are pretty sure it is. It has only been bred with a hypo het-albino, and the only thing to pop out is very pale hypos, and very pale albins-(hybinos). Now, in 2007 I hatched the first 100% known double homo pyro, a hybino-(the snake was a visual BHB hypo and albino) the parents were both BHB hypo het-albino. There was 2 eggs, and one was a hybino and the other a hypo. Now the albinos that come from the "thought to be hybino" are/were a little lighter than the 100% hybino. There are forsure more on the way, not in numbers, but they will pop up, as pretty much any albino is poss. het-hypo and any hypo poss. het-albino. It is actually a pretty cool project. Also include the aberrant to pop out of it, and who knows, we may be seeing some aberrant amels and hypos.



Now the "anery", is in fact a hypoE-(hypoerythristic) and acts much like the anery. hondo-(which many here have probably seen in person from hatchlings to adults and know the color change that happens). Same with the pyros, although very few have been hatched, they hatch purple-ish looking and lighten as they age. The original wc hypoE male was bred X normals-(from the same trail even, and there is 100% pure F-1's left), I have them and will always be some pure locale animals, but mix any other morphs in and the locality goes out the window, just how it is. How else can you have the double homo morphs....?. Terry Dunham had done a breeding-(with a loaned animal from Jason Baylin) with the hypoE X sentz hypo, making double hets-(which would be, in the hobby the double hets for ghost) call it what you will, either way the double homo will be a pretty neat looking snake-(I think anyways...LOL). He also bred the hypoE X applegate phase, I now have those animals, of the orginal 2.2, there is 1.1 left and they are adults and have thrown bad eggs so far, we will see in the future but to me, that will be the coolest looking double homo morph. The hypoE itself, so far has tossed out a couple semi aberrant normal 66% hets, and even one semi striped hypoE. There will be some cool stuff to see in the future from this gene I think. Last year I popped one out that has a very faint/small, about 5-7 red scales, an almost paradox type thing.



I also last year hatched a clutch of 100% double het applegate phase/"sentz" hypos. Now to me, this double homo might not be all that incredible looking. You are taking away the most dramatic aspect of the Sentz hypo trait, the color change in the black bands to a very neat lavender/brown as hatchlings to a beautiful coffe cream color in adults. The red/orange is more intense, same with the applegate phase...so maybe the double homo will be a very intense red/orange and the head cap a lovely coffe cream/brown-(if it has a head cap, I have hatched applegates that have very recuded head caps, as that is a trait that morph pops out).



There is a lot left/not done/to be seen in the pyro world of morphs. They are a slower growing snake-(I raise my montanes in a manner they would grow in the field, they grow long first, put weight on later) they are notorious-(pyrso especially) for fatty deposits when over fed-(I might get the "give them the cage they need and that will not happen", well I agree, but I don't give them the cage they need/want, instead a pretty basic captive set up, but I do live in the mtns and they have the cool dry mtn air and thrive and have so for close to 20 years now. I think there will be some cool looking pyro morphs to pop up in the next 10 years or so, given there has never been any double het albino/hypoE produced-(your double het snow in the hobby terms)it is still a long aways away till we se animals like that. But good things to those who wait I guess...?

Jeff



a cool looking "morph" snake-


   

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