Flintdiver: Great topic & thought i'd add a little input. I too knew Art Meyers well & met up with him a good # of times around Appalach & some honey holes between there and Tallahassee to do plenty of herp bartering .What a great guy he was & had a sense of humor about him.He definately was a fun guy to hang with & share some field time together & in conversation touched on way more topics than herps. He was also a big fossil & artifact guy, and I might add a very military kind of guy.

In the late 80's ,I realized a population of getula looked like integrades in N.E. Fla, and in the 90's , I got to see a good handful of "suwannee" kings come thru an animal dealer in the Tampa area.Just prior to that I had caught 2 myself just west of where the known populations are. They do seem to have a good amount of variation , some are way more speckled out than most.I also think that it would be great if someone was still working with them. There are plenty of somewhat isolated "pockets" of kings from around the state of Fla. that are unique looking unto themselves.Many populations are all but gone due to habitat destruction or fragmentation,but there are some that people don't seem to know about and/or work with.I've caught,kept and bred some Fla kings from a few pockets that were unknown to most in the hobby.Offspring would even be offered as rare locals,but back in the 80s and 90s most were just looked at as just another floridana.I always thought specific locales were worth working with,even if no one else seemed to care!Oh,I might be wrong,I'm guessin' your user name flintdiver means your into lithic projectiles!!Amoungst a few of us ,herps and points go hand in hand!Here's a few hillsboroughs and a s. Tampa hillsborough king!Thanks Alan

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